Pissing duels and name calling in posts

[Rich Z]

If I get more time to check on the posting going here, how about I just do through any thread and delete ALL replies that have any name calling, uncalled for jabs, or a general pissing duel flavor to it?

Will you all be happy then with what is left?

If you all can't just post information without flaming each other, then maybe this site is just as well gone so you all can go play elsewhere. I'll find some other use for this vBulletin license.

I just can't believe that so many supposedly grown men with like interests can be constantly at each others throats like I am seeing here. I thought this would be a pleasant departure from what I go through on my FaunaClassifieds.com site on my Board of Inquiry.

But this is actually worse. Pretty damned unbelievable, if you ask me. It's no damned wonder that the antigunners want to disarm us.... We can't even get along with ourselves, much less the public in general, if this is any indication of attitudes.

I'm pretty much disgusted with some of you and the way you act here. Do you act like this when you are not behind a keyboard?

[Clint Boyer]

My apologies Rich, you are absolutely right.

If I can't say something nice, I won't say nothin' at all!

I guess I shouldn't take generalized statements personally even if they seem to be directed that way.

[41mag]

Guilty as charged.No I don't act this way on other forums.
Personally I would prefer to have this forum be as pleasant as some others I frequent.There does seem to be more than a bit of the childish acts going on here.Similar to the way it can get on Fauna & BC's forums.I mention these just as a reference.Some of the gun related sights I have visited are the same.
As was mentioned before I honestly believe that the best way to improve this place would be to increase traffic.A constant influx of newer posters would(obviously)dilute the bad apples.
Also,when I log in during the day & see 5-10 new posts that really say nothing I admit to getting a might discouraged.
jeff w

[andy]

plinking , bullseye, and sport hunting you mean, and you neither know nor care about anything about meaningful uses of guns. sport-only gun use is meaningless. You can be "sporting" with a fly rod, or bow and arrow, but you can neither defendself, nor effectively resist tyrants with such gear.

[Clint Boyer]

I don't know about that, have you ever been snapped by a back cast from a flycaster?
Just because those issues are meaningless to you doesn't mean others won't enjoy them. Being so narrow minded about what you think is the only use for guns is not going to convince any of us that it is the truth.
Life is to short to limit yourself to only what is practical.

[Rich Z]

Sporting, hobby, collecting, plinking, target shooting, and anything else related to firearms specifically and arms in general is perfectly acceptable and welcomed on this site. Just because one or more of the topics is not your cup of tea is no justification whatsoever for belittling, or acting in a derogatory manner towards someone who has a different set of interests. If someone is looking for a site that is narrowly focused on only their particular interests, then I suggest they start their own site with that goal in mind, because THIS one is not it. Anyone believing that they can change THIS site to be that way had better sit down and think a little harder about this, and find something else to do with their time, because I will not allow that to happen here. If that is a necessity of you being here, then I suggest you be on your way.

I welcome everyone to participate in discussions where someone can learn something from them. In the same vein, it is my desire to have someone posting information to help, teach or guide the readers to do so in an informative and professional manner, and leave all the attendant "chip on the shoulder" attitude out of the postings. If you cannot bring yourself to post without the attitude, then perhaps it is best that what you need to say be left unsaid. It is just downright tiresome to read post after post and it has to stop.

Most information posted will be more opinion than fact, no matter how strongly someone may wish it to be otherwise. Interpretations of observed facts are descriptive opinions, not facts themselves. Both the facts and the opinions, no matter how correctly applied, are useless when the vehicle used for delivery in a public forum poisons the knowledge with a reason for readers to WANT to discount the information based on the lack of respect the deliverer has developed based on the manner in which they write. This is just plain stupid to do. It is a waste of the time for the poster to type in what could be good solid information, to only have it discarded and rejected out of hand. And it is also a waste of time for people to read such things with the only intention to dispute it based on the way the information was portrayed, WANTING the poster to be incorrect.

I have touched on this topic before, and it is apparent that it has not percolated from the retinas of the people involved into the gray mass of brain tissue that lies between the ears.

What is it going to take for me to get my point across about this?

[Unregistered]

I have looke your site over and find it embarrssing that you have one guy postin. I went back 11 days and saw the same ole stuff. I post on other forums regularly and those forums would never let themselves be hijacked for any reason. This is either a slow board or you think the man posting will bring in new blood. Sad indeed. Don

[Stillwater]

Originally posted by Unregistered
I have looke your site over and find it embarrssing that you have one guy postin. I went back 11 days and saw the same ole stuff. I post on other forums regularly and those forums would never let themselves be hijacked for any reason. This is either a slow board or you think the man posting will bring in new blood. Sad indeed. Don

Rich -- this sounds like a wake up call!

Bill

[RIKA]

Rich, I can understand your problem but if you want traffic here you have to stand the flak. I don't like the name calling but thats what you are going to get. GK will never change and the men (and sometimes the solitary woman) will respond in like kind. We are all adults here. As my Mom said, "If you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen".

I accept that though I really don't like all the dissention and name calling.

RIKA

[Rich Z]

Oh, I've had plenty of heat in my other sites, so this is nothing at all to me. I've been running a Board of Inquiry site for a couple of years, so this is nothing at all new to me. Matter of fact, I am just rather curious to see what will happen here. It only costs me $15 a year to register this domain name, otherwise it doesn't cost me anything to let it just run on it's own without too much intervention. I lease my own servers and I can put as many domains on them as I want to for no additional cost.

I know some people want me to take sides and "do something" about the other side, but no, that's not in the cards. To be honest, I really don't even care about some old feuds people have been having.

No, I'm just going to sit back and watch, make comments about things that interest me, and stay out of the middle of any battles that others may concoct for themselves. Heck, some of the stuff being posted is downright humorous, so I might as well get some entertainment from it as well.

[Unregistered]

Thats for providing a platform for the free exchange of ideas and not trying to make another copy of Glock Talk or The Firing Line. They seem to be infested with snivling PC bed wetters, cookie cutter morons that will take up golf when duck hunting is outlawed.

The spirited discussions and broad range of topics seem to be sincere here. Censorship is not the answer and always stifles the creative thought that pushes the leaders to the front.

I would suppose someone like the unreg "Don" should maybe stick to reading American Rifleman and studying up on the Patriot Act so he can get get ready to inform on his neighbors.

............and a hearty thanks to you comrade Stillborn for your support of censorship as well.

Maybe you fine subjects would like to provide a list of state approved topics that we can discuss with in accepted perimaters.


Thanks again Rich

[Teufelhund]

Originally posted by Rich Z
Oh, I've had plenty of heat in my other sites, so this is nothing at all to me. I've been running a Board of Inquiry site for a couple of years, so this is nothing at all new to me. Matter of fact, I am just rather curious to see what will happen here. It only costs me $15 a year to register this domain name, otherwise it doesn't cost me anything to let it just run on it's own without too much intervention. I lease my own servers and I can put as many domains on them as I want to for no additional cost.

I know some people want me to take sides and "do something" about the other side, but no, that's not in the cards. To be honest, I really don't even care about some old feuds people have been having.

No, I'm just going to sit back and watch, make comments about things that interest me, and stay out of the middle of any battles that others may concoct for themselves. Heck, some of the stuff being posted is downright humorous, so I might as well get some entertainment from it as well.

It was an outstanding board that followed the same princible of true "Free Speech", till it changed hands and fell under the social engineering of it's new owner.

It too was a rowdy place, but grew to hundreds of members with dozens of post every day.

Let the whiners go someplace they feel safe and let the trolls play out there silliness, they will get bored. Folks will soon realize they don't have to respond to every post that gets made, they don't like it, pass. They want to talk about something different start another thread.

Like you said Rich, one things for sure there is never a dull moment and it is entertaining.


Teuf,

[Teufelhund]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Thats for providing a platform for the free exchange of ideas and not trying to make another copy of Glock Talk or The Firing Line. They seem to be infested with snivling PC bed wetters, cookie cutter morons that will take up golf when duck hunting is outlawed.

The spirited discussions and broad range of topics seem to be sincere here. Censorship is not the answer and always stifles the creative thought that pushes the leaders to the front.

I would suppose someone like the unreg "Don" should maybe stick to reading American Rifleman and studying up on the Patriot Act so he can get get ready to inform on his neighbors.

............and a hearty thanks to you comrade Stillborn for your support of censorship as well.

Maybe you fine subjects would like to provide a list of state approved topics that we can discuss with in accepted perimaters.


Thanks again Rich

Advance to be recognized :beer:

Teuf,

[Stillwater]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Thats for providing a platform for the free exchange of ideas and not trying to make another copy of Glock Talk or The Firing Line. They seem to be infested with snivling PC bed wetters, cookie cutter morons that will take up golf when duck hunting is outlawed.

The spirited discussions and broad range of topics seem to be sincere here. Censorship is not the answer and always stifles the creative thought that pushes the leaders to the front.

I would suppose someone like the unreg "Don" should maybe stick to reading American Rifleman and studying up on the Patriot Act so he can get get ready to inform on his neighbors.

............and a hearty thanks to you comrade Stillborn for your support of censorship as well.

Maybe you fine subjects would like to provide a list of state approved topics that we can discuss with in accepted perimaters.


Thanks again Rich

Ah, yes. The great profit weights in, without identifying herself of course. How is everything today Pat? Are you as fat and frumpy as ever?

Bill

[Teufelhund]

You have some kind of fixtation with JD's wife?:p

Personally I think it's JJ :rolleyes:

Teuf,

[Stillwater]

Originally posted by Teufelhund
You have some kind of fixtation with JD's wife?:p

Personally I think it's JJ :rolleyes:

Teuf,

You're trying hard, :argue: but your efforts aren't quiet making the trip!

Bill

[Aslan]

Originally posted by Teufelhund
You have some kind of fixtation with JD's wife?:p

Personally I think it's JJ :rolleyes:

Teuf,

you fool!

We're ALL JJ! (even you).

To those that are not JJ: "You WILL be assimilated"

:devil:

[John in AR]

Originally posted by Aslan
...To those that are not JJ: "You WILL be assimilated"

:devil:


As was said, "I am Dyslexic of Borg. Your ass will be laminated."

[Aslan]

Originally posted by John in AR


:D :D

you owe me a keyboard!

Laminated!

:roflmao1: :roflmao1:

:devil:

[Rich Z]

I am Dyslexic of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.

LOL! I'm REAL tempted to steal that one for my sig line!

[Glenn Bartley]

Rich,

I don't think I have been on the ArmsLocker.com site for a long while now, what a shame since I dreamed up the site's name huh! You would think I would have had more ethusiasm for this site. I thought it started off great, but then quickly degenerated into a name calling pissing match on way too many threads when certain posters joined the site. As much as I usually try to remain civil when over at faunaclassifieds, I found that here I too sometimes called an ass and ass. It is a shame that this happened but I understand how it happened as I truly believe that people can and will only take so much crap from others until they retaliate.

I for one would hope you do not shut the site down as I plan to begin using it more often again.

I also have a suggestion as to how other site members can help alleviate the problem, that would be by totally any posts made by a certain person. I would bet dollars to dirt that if other members of this site were to do such, then the problem child would just go away. In the event that more than one person is a problem child, then do likewise for each of them; although I believe that one person uses at least three or four signon names when posting here just to cause more trouble. I think most of us know to whom I am referring, and I would callenge the rest of you to ignore him just as I plan to ignore his posts in the hopes of making this a better site. We only need to keep at it either until he acts respectfully or goes away. Sure at first it will proably enrage him to post more than ever, but with an ego like his how long do you think that would last when he gets no replies - no arguments from us - no satisfaction in seeing that he has upset any of us. Even if it does not make him go away or act maturely just think of the pleasure you can derive by knowing that we are surely driving him bonkers by ignoring him.

Best regards,
Glenn B

[Rich Z]

Glen,

Good to see you showing your face in here again.

Yes, I agree with your assessment of the situation. I have been hoping that 223 fan/andy would eventually see the light and just drop the invective and derogatory comments. I had hoped that he would eventually realize that all that sort of attitude does is to defeat any possibility that anyone will take him seriously. If he posted and acted in a responsible and respectful manner, people would read what he is saying and ponder those words, rather than dismissing them right out of hand just because of who it is that is posting.

This is not brain surgery. People judge you just as much by how you say things as what you actually say.

But the real problem that seems to be escaping some people is that those people who respond to 223 fan/andy will be looked at in the same light by people who are not privy to the long standing conflict. As far as they will be concerned, those birds are all flocking together.

[Clint Boyer]

I think the reason I've backed away from responding to the abusive, confrontational posts is because of something Rich asked.
Rich asked if this is the way we'd behave if we weren't behind the keyboard. I most certainly would conduct myself in a much more mature and restrained manner. If we were all gathered around a camp fire discussing these issues I'd be willing to bet that none of us would engage in the derogitory bickering that goes on here. If the problem child insisted on being an idiot even in person, he'd either be ignored or shown the trail out. Since Rich has chosen to allow all comers equal right to be here then I look at him as the cousin at the reunion that nobody likes. I've just accepted the fact that there's nothing I can say that will get through his thick skull to help him see the error of his ways.
I'm here to talk guns, hunting and whatever else pops up, not to entertain someones demented desire for conflict.

[Rich Z]

Since Rich has chosen to allow all comers equal right to be here then I look at him as the cousin at the reunion that nobody likes. I've just accepted the fact that there's nothing I can say that will get through his thick skull to help him see the error of his ways.


But I'm trying to be better, Clint......

[Clint Boyer]

Hmmmmm.........

I guess that didn't come out quite the way I had in mind.:D

I meant, of course, 'him' being the problem child of the site, not the OWNER of the site. :blush:

[84 C4]

Originally posted by Clint Boyer
...is the way we'd behave if we weren't behind the keyboard...

I'm actually what people would call an "@$$hole," but, at least on the firearms forums, I try to keep those tendencies in check.;)

[Glenn Bartley]

I agree with the last post, no not that the poster is considered an "@$$hole," but that I too am probably better heeled while behind the keyboard and writing. Maybe it is because I think more before writing than I do when talking. I believe the actual thinking process behind writing is different that that used for speaking (heck there is a thesis possibility there for my master's degree). I also think because it is written it is harder to later deny that you said it (unless someone tape records your conservation, then both would be difficult to deny), so many people are more likely to be careful in what they write. Sure that does not go for everyone as can be witnessed in these threads, but it explains some of us.

Like Clint says, it is btter to come here to post respectfully about firearms and other related interests. I admit I have a problem with people who show no repsect at all for anyone, and who make up fantastic stories that amount to no more than balderdash, and I am inclined to just ignore those people in the future. I do disagree with Clint about one thing though: If we were all gathered around a camp fire discussing these issues I'd be willing to bet that none of us would engage in the derogitory bickering that goes on here. If the problem child insisted on being an idiot even in person, he'd either be ignored or shown the trail out. I lived most of my life in NYC, and my friends and I often escaped the city summer heat by going camping in upstate NY. Sometimes we had up to 30 people on a camping trip. If the problem child was sitting with us around our rather large campfire I can assure there would have been another option had he become a big enough pain in between the cheeks, he would not have been ignored or shown the trail but would have wound up on the fire and then probably in the stream while the rest of us laughed our behinds off... I will admit we did once ignore our own version of the problem child, this as we were hiking into camp along a stream bed and he slipped on the ice (yes we did some early spring camping too). It was hilarious to atch him trying to scramble back up the ice covered boulder to keep from falling into the water. Forevery few scramble in which he gained an inch or two he wound up sliding a few inches closer to the icy cold flow. He actually kept this up for at least a minute or two of panic and pandemonium until a few of us offered to help him before he got completely soaked. We built him a nice fire and as he was drying off and warming up someone pushed him and his clothes into it. We all had a good laugh as he tried to pull them out before they got burned. He still did not learn his lesson though and was a scrooge with his supplies later that evening while everyone else shared. That night though he wound up sharing his food too, although unexpectdly. You see he left his food in a small styrofoam container at streamside, while everyone else threw theirs into stuff bags and hoisted them up into trees suspended by cords from the branches. The racoons got his food, and to see him beg the next day for some breakfast, and be ignored by everyone, was a delight. Yes we finally relented and offered him something to eat, but we also warned him that burning at the stake later that night would be a distinct possibility if he did not behave. After that he became ome of the best campers going. Maybe that is what our own problem child needs, but too bad there is no figurative fire to throw him onto just in case ignoring him is not enough...

[brass hammer]

good story glen! and i also resemble the last couple of posts. thanks

[Rich Z]

Well, I have to admit that 223 fan/andy is probably not going to see the light and decide to act in a civil manner. Actually, I believe he has gotten worse, not better recently. To make matters worse, he is posting everything and anything across multiple forums, many of which are not relevant to the forums being posted in.

At first I thought this guy had just made some real enemies and they were bound and determined to drive him off the internet no matter where he went. I thought maybe this had put a major chip on his shoulder that would eventually come off if he realized that I personally, and the original people here, have no grudges against him if he acts civil.

It's not working......

So should I just admit that my experiment has failed? Bad traffic is no better (or maybe even worse) than no traffic?

Should I just slam the door on him to keep him out, or do I just slam the door on myself and stay the hell out of this myself and let whatever happens, happen?

Or was 223 fan/andy's original goal to destroy this board in the first place?

[Aslan]

Or was 223 fan/andy's original goal to destroy this board in the first place?

given that he has been thrown off of just about every board he's ever been on, and given how he BRAGS about it from time to time, and given that he WILL, if he HASN'T ALREADY bad mouth this site at whatever site he finds that he can post at in addition to this one.

I suspect you may be correct. Maybe not consciously, but certainly in his subconscious. His behavior is way too destructive on this or any board he is on.

He made a few mistakes when he made us his enemies. One, I don't take having my life threatened lightly, of course that was beforeI got a look at him and how pathetic and non-threatening he really is. Then he crossed over a major line and was nastier than I even thought possible for him on a young lady fighting a terrible disease (he knew about it) who showed she was far more knowledgeable about reloading that he could ever be.

I think many of us would continue to post here if he were banned. (good luck, he's like a cockroach, scurrying from username to username.)

just my two (biased) cents.

:devil:

[41mag]

Well,Rich,I just remembered the "ignore"list.:D You've managed to add new members & entice some older ones.That's a good thing. The fact that all of the newer folks seem to be both knowledgeable & shoulder chip deficient is even better.
Even 223munch speaks the plain truth occasionaly.

[Rich Z]

Yeah, I think 223 fan/andy does have information of value to share, but his attitude defeats any chance someone will take him seriously. When you start off a sentence with "stupe", "dummy", "asswipe", and any other number of endearments he habitually uses, most people immediately get a defensive attitude and will try like hell to prove him wrong rather than even consider what is being said. Hell, he probably has never used the technique of losing a battle in order to win a war.

To be perfectly honest, I don't have any clue at all why he even bothers to post. Is he trying to teach people something? Is it ego? Does he just like the attention?

Heck, I don't know. But I do know that REAL experts do not speak in the manner that he does. You cannot raise your stature or reputation by knocking down someone elses.

In another thread in this section I am discussing having someone take over some moderator duties. But how can I do that without telling a moderator to edit or delete abusive and derogatory comments to try to keep the peace?

I guess my major failing is thinking that everyone has at least a small portion of their brain that works logically and can be reached via logic and understanding.

[Aslan]

You could consider the sandbox approach they used at patriotnetwork.net. They gave GK he own forum, and banned him from all the others.

In his forum, he was free to be insulting and generally make an idiot of himself. Anyone posting in that forum knew what they were getting into, so no one could whine about it.

All the other forums were free of the flame wars and the crap. Some good information got posted and all was pretty peaceful.

Just a thought.

:devil: