price of ak, .30 cal ammo is the ONLY

[andy]

reason it gets ANY attention at ALL. That tells me that ANYBODY who thinks "highly" of it doesn't shoot enough to be much good at all, with it or any other rifle.

[84 C4]

Ak-47's are the the epitome of what an assault rifle should be:

Cheap
Reliable
Effective

[RIKA]

The AK will do the job; its like the Chevy of combat rifles - almost everybody can afford one. Rifles like the M1A, Sig, FAL etc are more expensive and more finely appointed with better accuracy but the AK can do the job. The bad guy will never know whether he died from the 7.62x39 or the 7.62x51.

Your money circumstances and personal preferences dictate what you carry.

RIKA

[Magnum88C]

You have to understand what the AK was intended FOR, before you can say whether or not it's a viable weapon.

The Soviets were not real big on educating everyone like we are (were), nor are they into professional armies. So they needed a weapon that can handle rough handling and neglect from what amounts to peasant conscripts, and the eve more varied and harsher climates. The AK fits these parameters in the assault rifle world like the Mosin-Nagants did in the bolt action world. It was designed for extreme reliability, not accuracy. Russian weapons are, for the most part, loosey-deucey, for reliability sake.
Then there's the Russian/Soviet theory on infantry tactics. If you can't hit the target with a single rifle, employ volley fire. If that's ineffective, point your pistol at the troops and force them to charge and take the enemy by brute force of numbers and large volleys of fire up close. Hence the popularity and widespread issue of high capacity magazines for the AK.
Russian soldiers are not treated as individuals, they are considered in numbers as a certain numerical value of firepower, and they are not afraid of sending their troops to get mowed down in numbers to take an objective. Very different from the western point of view which considers each soldier valuable and should be an effective weapon on their own.
For the Russian perspective, the AK is a near perfect design.

It is, however NOT the best design for the individual to use. If you have to go on the cheap, you're probably better off with an SKS until you can afford a better weapon. At least the Russian SKSs I have are considerably more accurate than an AK. Of course Russian specimen are not what you find at the local swap meet for $80. . .

[Aslan]

It's all about applying the right tactics to the weapon and the situation.

i.e. It's the weilder, not the weapon that matters most.

If you understand the limitations and strengths of any weapon you have, then you are never completely outgunned.

Even the shotgun, which GK likes to dismiss as a toy can be used quite effectively within it's envelope.

Being a one trick pony and failing to learn the strengths and effective application of various weapons will get you killed. quickly.

:devil:

[84 C4]

Originally posted by Raider
The AK will do the job; its like the Chevy of combat rifles -

RIKA

She likes firearms AND Chevies?http://www.cosr.com/forum1/html/emoticons/wub.gif

[Aslan]

Originally posted by 84 C4
She likes firearms AND Chevies?http://www.cosr.com/forum1/html/emoticons/wub.gif

She also has a very LARGE adopted (internet) family, but she can take care of herself....

:devil:

[RIKA]

Originally posted by 84 C4
She likes firearms AND Chevies?http://www.cosr.com/forum1/html/emoticons/wub.gif

84 C4,

Whats all this Chevie business? From your comment and Aslan's reply, you're acting like I admitted that I'm a lesbian (which I am not).

Please explain yourself and what your problem is.

RIKA

[84 C4]

Originally posted by Raider
84 C4,

Whats all this Chevie business? From your comment and Aslan's reply, you're acting like I admitted that I'm a lesbian (which I am not).

Please explain yourself and what your problem is.

RIKA

:( I didn't call you a lesbian, and I didn't say Chevie (never heard the term), I said Chevies, which is the plural of Chevy (as in Chevrolet). The way I learned English, to pluralise a word ending in y, you change the y to i and add -es. I don't know what Aslan is thinking.

I never met a chick who is a gun fan AND a Chevrolet fan. The combo I'm familiar with is guns and Fords. Did you miss the http://www.cosr.com/forum1/html/emoticons/wub.gif emoticon??


:( :(

Christ, sometimes it feels like I'm living in another dimension :alien: .

[RIKA]

Hey, easy there 84 C4. thank you for explaining. Sometimes I get a bit prickly just like you guys do. I drive an older Ford Crown Vic but the guy I'm dating now is restoring an older 60's Porsche. Sometimes he lets me drive it on a dirt track. Great car and it corners like oil in a pipe.

We're all friends here but sometimes even friends can misunderstand each other. Thats the reason we communicate.

RIKA :)

[Magnum88C]

RIKA, I believe it means you can add another vote to your being a good catch.

[RIKA]

Thank you Magnum. I've already offered my apology for being so prickly to 84 C4. Sometimes guys use code words/slang that I don't understand.

RIKA :)

[84 C4]

Originally posted by Raider
Hey, easy there 84 C4. thank you for explaining. Sometimes I get a bit prickly just like you guys do. I drive an older Ford Crown Vic but the guy I'm dating now is restoring an older 60's Porsche. Sometimes he lets me drive it on a dirt track. Great car and it corners like oil in a pipe.

We're all friends here but sometimes even friends can misunderstand each other. Thats the reason we communicate.

RIKA :)

No hard feelings.:) :cool:

BTW: I'm fixing up a 1984 Corvette:D

[RIKA]

Neat! I did some snooping and found that you pulled your icon from the Colorado Track forum. Are you going to race him or just drive around and pick up pretty girls? Hint: pretty girls are much easier on the car but you already know that. :D

RIKA :)

[Magnum88C]

Originally posted by Raider
Hint: pretty girls are much easier on the car but you already know that. :D

RIKA :)

Not always, but they are more fun.

[84 C4]

Originally posted by Raider
Neat! I did some snooping and found that you pulled your icon from the Colorado Track forum. Are you going to race him or just drive around and pick up pretty girls? Hint: pretty girls are much easier on the car but you already know that. :D

RIKA :)

The Corvette will be raced...when I scrouge the money together to finish it. Ultimately, I plan on putting in an LS2 or LS7 and a 6-speed tranny into it, and tightening the suspension. I can't really drive it around, have you seen the gas prices recently? It costs $25 to fill up my little Impreza.

I've also yet to post on that Co. racing forum (I like that emoticon, though :) ), I don't move to Co. until Aug 2 or 3, I'm just seeing what kind of people are up there. I'm also going to have to leave my vette behind, in Houston :bawling: , so I don't know if it would be appropriate to post there, yet.

BTW: I doubt I'd want to be with a girl I can pick up by virtue of my motorcar...unless they want to bolt a supercharger onto it.:D

[Terry G]

Originally posted by Magnum88C
You have to understand what the AK was intended FOR, before you can say whether or not it's a viable weapon.

The Soviets were not real big on educating everyone like we are (were), nor are they into professional armies. So they needed a weapon that can handle rough handling and neglect from what amounts to peasant conscripts, and the eve more varied and harsher climates. The AK fits these parameters in the assault rifle world like the Mosin-Nagants did in the bolt action world. It was designed for extreme reliability, not accuracy. Russian weapons are, for the most part, loosey-deucey, for reliability sake.
Then there's the Russian/Soviet theory on infantry tactics. If you can't hit the target with a single rifle, employ volley fire. If that's ineffective, point your pistol at the troops and force them to charge and take the enemy by brute force of numbers and large volleys of fire up close. Hence the popularity and widespread issue of high capacity magazines for the AK.
Russian soldiers are not treated as individuals, they are considered in numbers as a certain numerical value of firepower, and they are not afraid of sending their troops to get mowed down in numbers to take an objective. Very different from the western point of view which considers each soldier valuable and should be an effective weapon on their own.
For the Russian perspective, the AK is a near perfect design.

It is, however NOT the best design for the individual to use. If you have to go on the cheap, you're probably better off with an SKS until you can afford a better weapon. At least the Russian SKSs I have are considerably more accurate than an AK. Of course Russian specimen are not what you find at the local swap meet for $80. . . Excellent post, you have hit the nail on the head. The AK-47 is a remarkable weapon, doing just what it was designed for. The average Russian, Chinese, or Vietnamese soldier is not a marksman or is terribly concerned with weapon maintenance. The AK was designed to WORK, period. My AKS, Chinese variant, does well to group 5 inches at 100 yards, my Colt AR-15 will do 1 inch at the same distance. As you have stated, American soldiers are trained to be able to fight as individuals, not enmass, as the above armies are trained to do. Weapon maintenance was drilled into our pointy little heads and it built confidence in us. Different philosophy's, but I like ours better.

[Aslan]

I was reading plural of chevy, but was commenting that you may attempt to make a pass at Rika, who is quite capable of looking out for herself, but she's got a crapload of "big brothers" looking out for her too!

:devil:

[RIKA]

I misunderstood, Aslan. As I said, you guys have a lot of code words and slang that I don't understand.

I can't tell you guys how much I appreciate your putting up with me and for your friendship. You know that I am for all of you anytime.

RIKA

[84 C4]

Originally posted by Aslan
but was commenting that you may attempt to make a pass at Rika, who is quite capable of looking out for herself, but she's got a crapload of "big brothers" looking out for her too!

If I were hitting on her, wouldn't it have made more sense to do it through a Private Message??

[Aslan]

Maybe flirting would have been a better choice of words - I didn't read anything beyond innocent fun in any of the posts - sorry if I came accross heavy handed or anything like that.

All was meant in good fun!

:beer:

:devil:

[84 C4]

It happens, posting on the internet is guaranteed to cause comm problems. Especially since there's a mix of internet and local dialogues and slang terms and phrases.


:beer:

[John in AR]

Originally posted by Raider
...you're acting like I admitted that I'm a lesbian (which I am not)...


I've been "outed" before, but not on this forum; so I'll fess up to clear my conscience:

I'm a "lesbian trapped in a man's body". ;)

[andy]

she'd be in a world of excrement.

[Garand]

And only you know what a "World of Sh*t" is! Is that cleaning 15, 16, 20 or 30 Porta Potties a day????

[andy]

, stupe. I did so hauling 30 of them at a time, all over the Rockies, big straight truck, long trailer behind it, to "special events", 90 hour weeks. :-) That's why NONE of my wife's $ is involved in the gear-total, dummy. I did that for 18 weeks, financed A LOT of things I'd been wanting to get-done. :-) My new PO is OUTRAGED that I was allowed to be "homeless" and "unsupervised" for that period of time, but my old PO knew that it's when I'm broke and not having any fun that there's a RISK involved. I dont TOLERATE that sort of life.

[84 C4]

Wow, hauling <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> around for 90 hours a week? You must of stockpiled alot of it, because you certainly have alot to throw.

[Garand]

$6.00 an hour times 90 hours is a lot less than $1000.00. Then after taxes, unemployment, living expenses how much did you have left to buy drugs with??

[andy]

for the overtime, stupe. There's ways to REALLY decrease the tax burden, and the boss gave me $50 a day for food, cash, and $50 a day for motels, but I kept it and just used a sleeping bag under the truck, stupe. Not everybody is as lazy and chicken<font color=red>[**censored**]</font> as you are, garnad.

[Garand]

WOW! When I was doing range clearance for a civilian company I was clearing $1000 a week. I worked a 40 hour week at $35 an hour. My per diem was $1950.00 per month. I had a furnished bachelor apartment and I went shooting Tuesday and Thursday nights. After I gave my wife the paycheck I still had $900-$1000.00 per month for new toys!:D :D