silencers

[glogan]

Hi all,
I was curious, does a silencer on a long barrel rifle effect its accuracy over long distances.

[andy]

ie, 3" groups at 600 yds.

[Garand]

gunkids silencers get 12" groups at 6" distance!

[andy]

with no effect on accuracy at all. It's no problem to get 1" groups at 50 yds with a .22 rifle and my cans, or same at 25 yds with something like a canned Ruger .22 pistol.

[Hard Rock]

Yes, it does Glogan. A suppressor (proper term) effects accuracy in several ways. First of all, you need to take into account the inherent accuracy of the gun. Is the barrel a quality barrel? Is it freefloated? How accurate is the gun without a can on it?

Now, from that point, you need to look at suppressor design. Avoid abortions like the crap that Tard pushes. They aren't worth the time nor the effort. Not to mention that you will most likely lose accuracy that way.

On a quality made can designed for precision rifle work, the suppressor will have the following effects: It adds weight to the end of the barrel minimizing barrel vibration or whip. This in effect gives you better consistancy. The baffle stack will act as a muzzle brake limiting felt recoil.

What this results in is tighter groups though you will have a POI change from an unsuppressed shot. There are some arguments about tightening a can down on the barrel and changes in torque= changes in impact... I've found this to be very limited in effect. If you hand tighten the suppressor on the gun you won't have any problems. If the can gets loose, you will have some issues.

Mike

[andy]

can't produce a canned CAR that groups 1.5" at 100 yds (same as it groups without the can) u pos, bring it on. :-)

[Hard Rock]

Get a life Tard. 1.5 inches at 100 yards SUCKS. Now, you want to impress me, get your groups to .5 inch at 100 and I'll concede your point... but you won't, can't and you know it.

Mike

[Rich Z]

What about those 10/22 Rugers that have the integral suppressor barrels? What is accuracy like in them?

Also, what about velocity loss? Is this an issue in those guns?

[Hard Rock]

Rich,

It depends on the manufacturer and the ammunition you choose to use in them. I have an AWC 10/22 integrally suppressed rifle that will launch CCI stingers out about 750 fps. The Remington YellowJackets leave the muzzle around 550-600 fps.

It is quite accurate out to about 100 yards.

There are a few other manufacturers that make the integrally suppressed .22's that have higher or lower velocity though you really don't want to go lower than 500 fps.

I've taken small game and medium game with this rifle out to about 75 yards with no problem. I'd be confident in taking a deer with it out to about 50 yards on the proper head shot.

Mike

[andy]

level of accuracy is plenty good enough. It's all YOU can deliver under field conditions, with subsonic .22 rds. they blow in the wind like a balloon.

Rich, don't settle for lesst than 1000 fps. u dont HAVE to, and every 100 fps less really hurts, with a mere .22lr. 40 grs at 600 fps is a mere. 35 ft lbs. That's barely more than HALF of what a pathetic .25 ACP has. A CB CAp has that much "power", ferchrissakes.

[Hard Rock]

in quite a few places, 1000 fps is above the speed of sound. It depends on humidity, air density or pressure, temperature and so forth. I thought you were an expert on this kind of stuff... :rolleyes:

And if you settle for "good enough" you are a dead man walking.

Mike

[andy]

tries to tell ME about 'settling' for junk. :-) No, 1000 fps is NOT below the speed of sound, except maybe on MT everest, the COLDEST day of the year. Most of the time, 1080 fps is the speed of sound, and 30 fps is PLENTY of leeway, given decent loads, to prevent getting a sonic crack. 80 fps is a great deal of "margin for error. going down below 950 fps is just flat STUPID.

[Hard Rock]

Tell you what... you bring your AR out and well put the guns up to a reliability test. First one to jam looses.

Mike

[andy]

loses has ONE "o", <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>. How about I shoot you, ONCE, and the gun jams, do you stop bleeding?

[andy]

reliability is only an issue if you MISS A LOT, something that the Mac 10 is VERY "famous" for doing.

[Hard Rock]

Out to realistic ranges being about 75-100 yards, I don't miss with that gun. See, I practice a lot with my firearms I know how they work and their mannerisms. Simply put, the reason a lot of people say the MAC misses a lot is because those same people don't have experience shooting them properly. Of those that have shot them, for the most part, they pick the gun up, pull it in near their hip and pull the trigger. That isn't how you get accuracy. Even you should know that.

Mike

[andy]

neither would anybody else, since you are talking about taking 20 seconds and firing a dozen bursts. :-) The Mac is a pos, and anyone who's ever shot one KNOWS it, too.

[Stillwater]

tries to tell ME about 'settling' for junk. :-) No, 1000 fps is NOT below the speed of sound, except maybe on MT everest, the COLDEST day of the year. Most of the time, 1080 fps is the speed of sound, and 30 fps is PLENTY of leeway, given decent loads, to prevent getting a sonic crack. 80 fps is a great deal of "margin for error. going down below 950 fps is just flat STUPID.

Hey you uneducated ex-convict:
The speed of sound is 1167 fps at sea level, at 59º F, at a barometric pressure of 29.92 HG.

You lose again ex-convict, we win.

Bill

[andy]

no u didnt, <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>, u just don't know the difference, that's all. That's what's so pathetic about you and the others like you. :-)

[Stillwater]

no u didnt, <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>, u just don't know the difference, that's all. That's what's so pathetic about you and the others like you. :-)

Thats not even a good try MELVIN. If that isn't the speed of sound -- refute me!

Go ahead MELVIN, refute the physical laws of the universe.

Bill

[Hard Rock]

neither would anybody else, since you are talking about taking 20 seconds and firing a dozen bursts. :-) The Mac is a pos, and anyone who's ever shot one KNOWS it, too.

If you say so... though you are completely wrong. But he, we're used to THAT.

Now, for the technical stuff. In regards to your challange, one trigger pull. Not a dozen bursts in 20 seconds. 30 rounds in one trigger pull. Believe me, I'll be on target and the gun won't jam. But it's a moot point... you'll never show up. You never have, you never will.

Mike