WHAT stops u when I drive a fist into solar plexus?

[andy]

"only' 200 ft lbs or a bet less, no loss of blood, no vital organs destroyed (usually) Clowns CLAIM that there's no such thing as shock. Well, I can punch you and prove that there IS such a thing.

[Aslan]

"only' 200 ft lbs or a bet less, no loss of blood, no vital organs destroyed (usually) Clowns CLAIM that there's no such thing as shock. Well, I can punch you and prove that there IS such a thing.

different mechanisms at work. (and btw you are destroying blood vessels ad the like)

The solar plexus works because you are striking a fairly significant bundle of nerves and are causing them to fire at once. You are also disrupting the breathing cycle.

The same blow to the thigh or elsewhere won't have the same effect, which it should if it is only about the transfer of energy.

You like to do a lot of bait and switch comparisions, substituting one mechanism for another.

There are many types of shock that are associated with trama. Not all shock even requires physical injury.

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[RIKA]

More written desires to hurt someone.

RIKA

[mrostov]

Well, in that case, since he obviously feels he could survive a punch into the solar plexus, and he claims a Makarov isn't really different, maybe he wouldn't mind someone shooting him in the solar plexus with a Makarov as an experiment, since it obviously won't seriously hurt him.

Obviously someone has never heard the term 'wound channel'.

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[RIKA]

Those expanded MAK bullets are soooo pretty and much more effective than punching somebody with your fist.

RIKA :)

[andy]

there's NO wound channel with the PUNCH. So why don't you learn to READ, hmm? If it aint a wound channel, like I SAID, WHAT stops you, hmm? if you "think" such a punch WONT stop you, COLD, REGARDLESS of how adrenalized or doped up you are, I'd be HAPPY to show you just how WRONG you are. :-)

[andy]

no, the difference is the DISTANCE of the solar plexus from the brain, and the heart, as vs the thigh. Shockwaves in tissue DISSIPATE over distance.

[RIKA]

Why is it that everytime somebody answers you, you react like a retarded child full of sound and fury and no substance.

RIKA

[Magnum88C]

" 'Tis a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying, nothing."

[Aslan]

no, the difference is the DISTANCE of the solar plexus from the brain, and the heart, as vs the thigh. Shockwaves in tissue DISSIPATE over distance.

How about a strike in the shoulder - closer to the brain, no further from the heart - still not the same effect.

It has NOTHING to do with the distance to the brain. It has everything to do with the number of kind of nerves.

The shockwaves that actually make it to the brain from such a strike to the solar plexus would be little more than the shockwaves that reach the brain when a person is running.

You are now just making stuff up, and demonstrating that you don't understand the mechanism at all. You are using faulty assumptions to try and support your position.

I can cause you an inordinate amount of pain by applying pressure to a certain spot where the mandibular nerve is running against bone. I don't have to strike you, just apply pressure to the nerve. It isn't shock, it isn't waves traveling to the brain, it's nerves firing. Same thing can be done to the sciaticus, but it takes a lot more effort and is not something you'd do in combat (more like something you could do in a massage). But pressure on this nerve can be completely debilatating. Again, not by shockwaves or tissue destruction, by simply causing a few nerves to fire.

You need to spend some time and get to understand the principles involved.

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[DJetAce]

It will be pretty hard for dumbkid to punch me in the solar plexus while I' dancing on his face. Hey, dumbkid, I'll take your solar plexus punch if you will take my boot stomping in your face. I bet I'll pack more than 200 Ft/lb.

[SatCong]

Cumkid=liar
SatCong

[Glenn Bartley]

Ok, so going by the proximity to the heart and brain theory, if I give you a good solidly connecting swift kick or even just a punch in your testicles it should have about the same effect as if I hit you in the thigh because they are about the same distance from your (well most people's) brain as is the thigh. (Laugh don't get mad that was funny either way you interpret it.) Would you like to try that one out - let someone give you a full force punch or kick in your balls, and see if it has the same effect as hitting you in the thigh or if it is more like getting hit in the solar plexus?

What about a good hit to the shins. I can take a nice piece of hickory like an axe handle and hit someone upside their head and leave them standing, or at least having a quick back on their feet recovery; however if I hit them square across the front of either shin bone, I guarantee (if they are physically normal and have no nerve damage) they will go down or double over in excruciating pain - even if on PCP.

Try that balls thing on yourself sometoime and let me know the results.

All the best,
GB

[SatCong]

Aslan,
A shipmate of mind was "Kind" enough to demonstrate that mandibular nerve pressure on me once a long time ago--I have NEVER forgotten it. Your post almost made me fall down and writh like bacon in a pan all over again!
SatCong

[Aslan]

Aslan,
A shipmate of mind was "Kind" enough to demonstrate that mandibular nerve pressure on me once a long time ago--I have NEVER forgotten it. Your post almost made me fall down and writh like bacon in a pan all over again!
SatCong

Do it as part of a strike and you can permanently mess someone up.

I made the mistake of teaching that one to a friend of mine's little sister - he still has not forgiven me.

It's little things like this that makes us seriously doubt the quality and level of training that GunKid has, especially when he claims to be a black belt.

:devil:

[brass hammer]

that ALWAYS had a cheap pair of slip-joint pliers on him , i laughed and ribbed him so much , that one day he stuck them in my right 'pec' and pinched.


i've never forgotten that old bastard!, CORKY was his name and he had a heart attack in wy. after a succsessful elk hunt![died]


he'd use them on $ssholes in the bars ,also! :dgrin:




thanks.

[Glenn Bartley]

ouch.......

[john42]

So aslan are there any other cool nerve strikes we should know about?

[John in AR]

So aslan are there any other cool nerve strikes we should know about?


Many. Search for info on "Control Point" or "Pressure Point" Tactics; there's a bunch of them. Some are "strikes"; many others are just application of pressure.

The inside of the thigh a third of the way up above the knee, the inside of the bicep, the junction behind the bottom of the ear (just below the skull bone in the back, between the spine and ear, basically). Lots of "joint" control applications as well; wrist-locks, etc.

One of the funniest things (call me sadistic) was when stopped with a VERY drunk driver. Was new, and was riding with a senior deputy; we'll call him "Larry". The drunk was arguing and belligerent, and refused to get out or even unlock the door, although his window was down completely. Larry repeatedly asked him to get out or unlock the door, not wanting to reach in to unlock it, as that would put him at a leverage disadvantage with the guy. (I was standing on the off side rear quarter panel.)

While repeatedly refusing to exit the vehicle, the drunk got more & more hostile, until the fourth or fifth time Larry asked, the drunk responded with something like, "I'll get out & kick your ass."

Two seconds later, Larry's got the guy on the ground face down, pulling his arms around behind his back. He'd just grabbed the drunk, right hand under the mandibular, left hand "ridged" under the nose, and had him out the window & on the ground amazingly quick. You get your forefinger's first knuckle under someone's nose joint with the right pressure, and they WANT to go wherever you're pulling.

When I joined Larry on the driver's side, all he said was, "Watch the tater." I didn't understand, until I saw (and then smelled) the lump in the rear of the drunk's pants. bleep :crap:

Hadn't thought about that in a long time: "Watch the tater"... :dgrin:

[Aslan]

Bunches and Bunches...let me think about which ones are easiest to get at. The ones that don't take a whole lot of training to get at...

like the one on the top of your hand, between the index and middle finger, right at the knuckles. you can grab a person's hand and use your thumb to cause a fair amount of pain.

Another simple one, is to bend your fingers at the second joint (dont make a fist) - some styles call this 'panther' fist. you can rap on the top of someone's hand (don't strike hard) and they will let go.

Likewise, you can put the panther fist against someone's sternum (aligned vertically along the bone) and with a simple rocking motion - doesn't need any strenght, cause a fair amount of pain that way too.

The joint along your elbow ( the outside joint not the side where they draw blood), there is a spot (if you feel around, you'll find it) where if you jam a finger there, it will hurt worse than any "funnybone" injury ever could.

further up the arm, underneath, towards the shoulder, you can "pinch" between two muscles and cause a lot of pain too. (it would be way easier to show you than to describe it.) - I like this one, as it can appear that you are trying to help someone that is in pain, instead of looking like you are causing the pain. Experiment a little, and I suspect you'll figure out what I am doing a poor job of describing...


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[John in AR]

...further up the arm, underneath, towards the shoulder, you can "pinch" between two muscles and cause a lot of pain too. (it would be way easier to show you than to describe it.)

That's what I was trying to get at with the "inside of the bicep" comment. That's a very good one.

[Aslan]

one nifty little technique if you want to pinch something with the maximum amount of force, simply take your middle finger and place it on top of your index finger. using the two fingers together to pinch with your thumb, gives you an amazing abount of pressure. (this is sometimes called monkey fingers.)

the finger tip of the middle finger is on the fingernail of the index finger.

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[RIKA]

Anybody got any pics or diagrams for these neat pressure points?

RIKA :)

[Aslan]

There's all kinds of charts showing the body's meridians and "gates". Most of the gates just happen to be strike or nerve points. I don't have access to my scanner at the moment, or I'd scan a few diagrams for you....

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[RIKA]

Thanks Aslan. Please remember me when you get your scanner up.

RIKA

[Aslan]

I am now officially a week away from moving into the new house. We do a walk through tomorrow, then close on next thursday.

I can't wait. Been living out of suitcases with all our stuff boxed up for almost three months now. (house sitting for a friend)

:devil:

[john42]

This is all starting to sound fun. I am going to have to re-institute a sparring day and try some of this out. (anybody live in Texas?) One cool thing I learned from a ninjitsu guy is to grab the inside of the upper thigh as if grabbing a roll of quarters (the roll of quarters grab). Grab a fistfull of that inside leg and presto! No more headlock! Also very effective when applied to the tricep area. Make sure you grab at least a medium handful of skin and pull.

:bounce01: :argue: :smash: :eatsmiley
J

[Aslan]

Find someone who is skilled in Chin 'na and have them go through joint locks and manipulations. (or a good Ju Jitsu practitioner..)

Fun stuff indeed...

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