Father, Son, & Holy Ghost

[T. Daves]

A man (you choose ethnic background) is walking through a neighborhood (you choose ethnic makeup) at night. He meets a young man of the neighborhood walking the opposite direction. "Hey man don't you know you could get mugged in this neighborhood. What you doing walking around here?"
"My car broke down so I'm walking to the gas station. I have no fear for I have the Father, Son, & Holy Ghost with me". The young man looks at the man strangely. "Let me explain." He pulls out a Bible. "This is the Father, it contains all the lessons a person should live by. It comforts me in my times of need." He then pulls out a compact flashlight. "This is the Son, not for the reason you think. This lights my way in troubled times, much like the words of Jesus. It comforts me when the darkness grows, it shines the way." The young man smiles at this. "Mister, that's not going to help you if someone wants to mug you." The man knods his head. "Yes, I understand that, but the Holy Ghost is with me too." he takes a step back, and pulls out a handgun. "This is the Holy Ghost, it protects me in times of trial. As Jesus arose from the grave to quail the doubts and fears of his followers, this quails my fears as I go down lifes road." THe young man stepped aside. As the man continues to walk down the street, the young man thought,"there goes a man ready to make a difference in someones life, either for the good, or the bad."

[brass hammer]

oh! so right-eous!!! great thread/statement[youol'texan you!]



:wavey:

[andy]

I just say, hey, homey, know where I can score some?

[T. Daves]

you obviously do NOT get it.

[DaRkWoLf]

I'd love to see JD say that to a guy I know on "the block." He'd feel a MAC10 barrel in his face so fast it wouldnt be funny.

Note that I know, but do not associate myself, with this man or his actions. Drugs are bad!

[fffg100grns]

I must say that is interesting, "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost". Cool.

I have also found that if I draw my Bible and start preaching they will leave as well.
So far I haven't been hassled for packin my sword(Bible) but I fear the local law when I am packin a shootin iron. There is some nasty storys about the locals.

[RIKA]

Neat story. The Bible is as important as the gun.

RIKA

[andy]

I'd kill him long before he could bring that pos into play.

[Gecko45]

I must say that is interesting, "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost". Cool.

I have also found that if I draw my Bible and start preaching they will leave as well.
So far I haven't been hassled for packin my sword(Bible) but I fear the local law when I am packin a shootin iron. There is some nasty storys about the locals.

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

[KJUN]

I'd love to see JD say that to a guy I know on "the block." He'd feel a MAC10 barrel in his face so fast it wouldnt be funny.

Note that I know, but do not associate myself, with this man or his actions. Drugs are bad!

The "War on drugs" causing the civilians to be treated as enemies is what has made everything so bad. Drugs, in and of themselves, are no more "bad" than a gun, knife, car, or anything else that can be deadly/dangerous in the wrong hands. Alcohol still is a bigger killer, and many of our current drugs were still legal during prohibition....and didn't cause nearly the problems that the do now during their prohibition. Drugs aren't good, but laws against them DO seem to be bad....lol.

Once again, I have no use for people weak enough to use them, but drugs are not the ultimate evil Nancy Reagan wants us to believe. They are just anouther FALSE THREAT used to get Americans to allow further enchroachment upon our liberties.

[brass hammer]

The "War on drugs" causing the civilians to be treated as enemies is what has made everything so bad. Drugs, in and of themselves, are no more "bad" than a gun, knife, car, or anything else that can be deadly/dangerous in the wrong hands. Alcohol still is a bigger killer, and many of our current drugs were still legal during prohibition....and didn't cause nearly the problems that the do now during their prohibition. Drugs aren't good, but laws against them DO seem to be bad....lol.

Once again, I have no use for people weak enough to use them, but drugs are not the ultimate evil Nancy Reagan wants us to believe. They are just anouther FALSE THREAT used to get Americans to allow further enchroachment upon our liberties.

I'M 'NO' LONGER yer' #1 FAN!!!,,,pal. :nyah:

:wavey:

[Wylycoyte]

I'M 'NO' LONGER yer' #1 FAN!!!,,,pal. :nyah:

:wavey:


That's good. I can be his #1 fan!

[brass hammer]

oh,****!!!,,,WHAT A ****IN' RIOT!!!

ya, know friend? I'M gonna be in atlanta later this summer[my sister bought a new house there] and I think hittin' underground atlanta with you would be a RIOTOUS/RIP of a blast!!!,,,WHAT DO YOU THINK? :dgrin:

[KJUN]

Sorry, guys. I am my own #1 fan. I thought that was already petty obvious.
KJ

[Aslan]

Let's just say we agree to disagree in part on the drugs issue. I believe it is proper for some substances to be controlled and that those who choose to break the law when it comes to those substances are in fact criminals.

As to the degree or severity of punishment warranted, that's always a topic for debate. The abuse of drugs costs each one of us a lot of money each year. It also destroys lives - of more than just those doing the abusing.

And it is none of my business what anyone puts in their body, unless they are in public or their actions in public are affected by the same. I don't like playing russian roulette with drunk drivers or people hallucinating on other drugs.

Your property rights end when you set up a meth lab next door to my house. You're now putting me and mine in danger of explosions, toxic chemicals, etc.

Any way, this is one of those subjects where we can go round and round and round on.

:devil:

[KJUN]

> The abuse of drugs costs each one of us a lot of money each year. It also destroys lives - of more than just those doing the abusing.

So does alcohol. Explain to me why alcohol isn't illegal, but marijuana is. I want a logical explaination....lol. I'm not picking on YOU - I'm just making a point.

Also, do an ubiased comparison of alcohol abuse pre-prohibition versus post-prohibition, and the crime rates for pre-, during, and post-prohibition. Compare it to when the other drugs became illegal, the crime rate BEFORE versus the crime rate NOW, the abuse before versus the abuse now, etc.


> And it is none of my business what anyone puts in their body, unless they are in public or their actions in public are affected by the same. I don't like playing russian roulette with drunk drivers or people hallucinating on other drugs.

I agree completely. Drunk drivers should get the same penalty as someone that shoots at a person and misses: attempted murder. That's what they did when they drove drunk! However, saying a drug SHOULD be controlled and then saying it is none of ones business what another uses is conflicting statement.

> Your property rights end when you set up a meth lab next door to my house. You're now putting me and mine in danger of explosions, toxic chemicals, etc.

Can't the same be said for someone storing a couple tanks of gas? ....or a couple pounds of black powder ...or a large barn full of hay? ...or???

Still, the reason people run meth labs is the same reason p[eople used to run dangerous stills: prohibition. If you could legally purchases it like the biggest killer (alcohol), then what would be the benefit of running a dangerous/risky/illegal still (aka meth lab)? Very, very little. Use the alcohol laws in place over those other drugs, and most of the problems will be non-issues EXCEPT in the same way we still have problems with alcohol. Those will ALWAYS exist no matter what, but enforcement can get away from smugglers, users, etc. and get on to people that ARE hurting others.

KJ

[Aslan]

I really don't want to get started on a back and forth, as everyone tends to protect their position vigorously - which is good. Everyone should stick to their beliefs (otherwise what's the point?)

> The abuse of drugs costs each one of us a lot of money each year. It also destroys lives - of more than just those doing the abusing.

So does alcohol. Explain to me why alcohol isn't illegal, but marijuana is. I want a logical explaination....lol. I'm not picking on YOU - I'm just making a point.

But it is controlled, to a point - this is why six year olds cannot go and buy beer legally in this country. We can argue over the "to a point" part and go round and round.

If aspirin had been developed recently, it would be a prescription drug.

I think weed (easier to spell) and tobacco should be controlled substances. Weed, and namely THC does stay in the system longer than alcohol. This is one of the reasons it's possible to do a drug test long after use. Alcohol does leave the system quickly. All of the above do have affects and effects to the users and those around them.

We can argue private vs public use and all that. But I don't want to be chasing this around and and around.

>Also, do an ubiased comparison of alcohol abuse pre-prohibition versus post-prohibition, and the crime rates for pre-, during, and post-prohibition. Compare it to when the other drugs became illegal, the crime rate BEFORE versus the crime rate NOW, the abuse before versus the abuse now, etc.

Very difficult and misleading statistics as crime is affected by many things, like population densities, urban vs suburban, poverty levels, etc. All of which have changed dramatically over the years pre and post prohibition - also true for time periods affecting drug usages and when they were/weren't legal.

Amsterdam is a great example of what we could expect, given the amount of money they spend (from taxation) on drug abuse, and while murder rates may be low - unarmed sheep and all that, other crimes are as high or higher than here in the US. (I believe the robbery rate is actually higher per capita than in the US)


> And it is none of my business what anyone puts in their body, unless they are in public or their actions in public are affected by the same. I don't like playing russian roulette with drunk drivers or people hallucinating on other drugs.

I agree completely. Drunk drivers should get the same penalty as someone that shoots at a person and misses: attempted murder. That's what they did when they drove drunk! However, saying a drug SHOULD be controlled and then saying it is none of ones business what another uses is conflicting statement.

Not at all. I firmly believe that some substances should be controlled. I don't want six year olds buying beer.

It's none of my business what you do on your property, as long as it only affects you. There's nothing conflicting in the two concepts. However, there are reasonable limits - child abuse, for example. incest for example, etc.

You want to get drunk or stoned - go for it. You start raping 6 year old kids and I'll probably put a bullet in you myself.

> Your property rights end when you set up a meth lab next door to my house. You're now putting me and mine in danger of explosions, toxic chemicals, etc.

Can't the same be said for someone storing a couple tanks of gas? ....or a couple pounds of black powder ...or a large barn full of hay? ...or???


Depends, if you have 25,000 gallons of gas stored on a residential lot, then you are putting me in danger. If you have a few jerry cans of gas properly stored, then no problem. There are laws and regulations concerning the proper storage and what quantities you can store. If your property is large enough that the theoretical blast radius is completely within your property, then I'm not affected and it is not my business.

A lot depends on the specific circumstances, If you are following code (which exists to protect me from my neighbors and vice versa), then it isn't my business.

We can run this one into the ground and do the whole "what about..." thing until we both die of old age.

>Still, the reason people run meth labs is the same reason p[eople used to run dangerous stills: prohibition. If you could legally purchases it like the biggest killer (alcohol), then what would be the benefit of running a dangerous/risky/illegal still (aka meth lab)? Very, very little. Use the alcohol laws in place over those other drugs, and most of the problems will be non-issues EXCEPT in the same way we still have problems with alcohol. Those will ALWAYS exist no matter what, but enforcement can get away from smugglers, users, etc. and get on to people that ARE hurting others.
KJ

People still run stills to avoid paying the taxes.

I don't disagree with a lot of your positions, it's more a matter of degree.

A major problem with drug abuse (including alcohol and tobacco) is we get stuck paying for it. Health care and insurance costs are good examples. Loss of freedoms because of stupid knee jerk legislation.

There isn't a simple answer.

Hopefully none of this came across as anything other than just discussion.

I'll give you the last word on this or we'll never get past this thread, LOL.

:devil:

[KJUN]

I'm really not after the last word, and I'm really not even "arguing" with you. I'm just using this as an opportune time to state an alternative analysis of the available data.

...and to bring up that alcohol is legal, is a drain on society, and kills thousands. Drugs do the same, but are illegal and didn't when it wasn't illegal. Something is amiss there. Whether my conclusions are accurate or not - I do NOT believe the .gov has a right to prevent you from using anything you want (excluding things like antibiotics for the obvious reasons), but they have a right to protect kids from rape, etc....WHETHER the BG is on drugs OR NOT. Drug usage is not relevant - they aren't a reason or an excuse for a bad act. Period.

The only thing I do disagree with is your stats on Amsterdam. I'd check them out again. When I looked, the violent crime rate was NOT higher than what we have here in the US.

KJ

[Wylycoyte]

oh,****!!!,,,WHAT A ****IN' RIOT!!!

ya, know friend? I'M gonna be in atlanta later this summer[my sister bought a new house there] and I think hittin' underground atlanta with you would be a RIOTOUS/RIP of a blast!!!,,,WHAT DO YOU THINK? :dgrin:


Let me know the where and when! The Clairmont Lounge awaits!

[Coyote]

Heres the formula, as far as I can tell, for drug prohibition:

Legalized, but still regulated (ala booze & tobacco) drugs = drug addicts, shattered lives, people who may drive under the influence

Prohibited drugs = addicts, shattered lives, people who may drive under the influence, gunfights in our streets, lack of purity & content controls meaning huge increases in the risks associated with drug use, lost tax revenue, overcrowded prisons, and arguably both gun control (both the original Canadian restrictions on handguns and American restrictions on FA were muscled through during prohibition, "justified" by the violence involved) & invasion of privacy (recent Canadian legislation allowing cellphone text messages, emails and IM chatlogs to be read without warrants was "justified" by dial-a-dope operations)

It might also be worth adding that as it stands it is easier for a minor to buy crack than it is liquor or cigarettes - street dealers don't check ID.

[brass hammer]

Let me know the where and when! The Clairmont Lounge awaits!

late july.,,, I'll p.m. you with my cell # in a few weeks :cool:
[b,t,w, do you got "nextel-service"?],,,and "IFFIN' YER 'QUEER",,,I'll more than likely just gut-you!,,,so DON'T BE FAG!

[Wylycoyte]

late july.,,, I'll p.m. you with my cell # in a few weeks :cool:
[b,t,w, do you got "nextel-service"?],,,and "IFFIN' YER 'QUEER",,,I'll more than likely just gut-you!,,,so DON'T BE FAG!

So...

does this mean a hummer is out of the question, then? :nyah:

[brass hammer]

only "iffin" the 'hummer' is SQUIRTIN' YER' FACE with the BLOODY-END OF YER' OWN 'pride' :dgrin:

[I trim my own mustache with my RAZOR-EDGED "queer-queen' LEVELER!]


AH, COME ON WILY/ELMO LET'S PLAY A REAL-HAND! :cool:

[spurrit]

> The abuse of drugs costs each one of us a lot of money each year. It also destroys lives - of more than just those doing the abusing.

So does alcohol. Explain to me why alcohol isn't illegal, but marijuana is. I want a logical explaination....lol. I'm not picking on YOU - I'm just making a point.

Also, do an ubiased comparison of alcohol abuse pre-prohibition versus post-prohibition, and the crime rates for pre-, during, and post-prohibition. Compare it to when the other drugs became illegal, the crime rate BEFORE versus the crime rate NOW, the abuse before versus the abuse now, etc.


> And it is none of my business what anyone puts in their body, unless they are in public or their actions in public are affected by the same. I don't like playing russian roulette with drunk drivers or people hallucinating on other drugs.

I agree completely. Drunk drivers should get the same penalty as someone that shoots at a person and misses: attempted murder. That's what they did when they drove drunk! However, saying a drug SHOULD be controlled and then saying it is none of ones business what another uses is conflicting statement.

> Your property rights end when you set up a meth lab next door to my house. You're now putting me and mine in danger of explosions, toxic chemicals, etc.

Can't the same be said for someone storing a couple tanks of gas? ....or a couple pounds of black powder ...or a large barn full of hay? ...or???

Still, the reason people run meth labs is the same reason p[eople used to run dangerous stills: prohibition. If you could legally purchases it like the biggest killer (alcohol), then what would be the benefit of running a dangerous/risky/illegal still (aka meth lab)? Very, very little. Use the alcohol laws in place over those other drugs, and most of the problems will be non-issues EXCEPT in the same way we still have problems with alcohol. Those will ALWAYS exist no matter what, but enforcement can get away from smugglers, users, etc. and get on to people that ARE hurting others.

KJ

You ever seen a barn full of hay blow up? :hot:

[brass hammer]

no,,,but I'VE seen one burn as HOT as the core of HELL once!