Human Rights

[Coyote]

Basic "human rights". What do you think that your rights are?

(This doesnt mean what constitutions, papers, judges and juries tell you. What rights do you believe are YOURS as a human being.)

The things I keep coming up with are:

-My brain is my brain, I can think what I like with it.
-My mouth is my mouth, I can say what I like with it.
-My body is my own, I should be able to put what I like in it and do what I like with it.

[lucille]

As a mother, when I think of rights I also think of my rights as to my children; that I have a right to raise them with me, that the ideas I feel are important can be communicated to them. As a corollary to this, I have property rights as to them, if bad times come and I want to deprive myself so that they should have whatever I can give them, that should be my choice and right as a mother.
I feel I have a right not to live in slavery, and not to be bought and sold as chattel.
AND I have a right to enforce these rights; that if something is done to me or to mine, that I have a right to enforce these basic rights against those who would take them from me.

[Kent]

The right to be left alone, if I am not doing any harm to others. I am tired of government trying to worm their way into my life, like .gov is the be-all end-all to my needs.

I need them like a fisherman needs a xylophone.

[John in AR]

End any sentence with the words “as long as I don’t impact or infringe on anyone else without their permission”, and that’s my list of rights.

You’ve probably heard the old examples:

- Being free to say what you want doesn’t include yelling “FIRE!” in a crowded theater.
- Being free to say what you want doesn’t include saying untrue things to, or about, others.
- The right to put a quart of booze in your body carries with it the responsibility to keep your body out from behind the steering wheel afterwards.

Every victim-based crime, whether robbery, rape, murder, kidnapping, burglary, vandalism, assault, or whatever, violates that one basic principle: “impacting or infringing on someone else without their permission”.

(It’s nice being this simple.) :bird:

[lucille]

So far, I am the only one who posted beliefs in a right to enforce basic rights; somehow on a gun board I thought there would be more alongside me.
I think (again, my opinion only) that one can list all the rights one wants, but if one does not specifically reserve the right to enforce those rights, they are just words on paper...

[John in AR]

The “not impacting or infringing on others” applies to everyone, not just me, so self-defense is inherent in the principle; but probably should be specifically enunciated, jsut to be clear.

Since they don’t have the right to “impact or infringe on me without my permission”, if they do violate MY right to live in peace, they forfeit their right to the same.

[KJUN]

I bring that up because I have a right to think what I please even if you disagree whole-heartedly. I have a right to do whatever the heck I want as long as it doesn't unnecessarily "harm" someone else and to be left alone while doing it. (Harming myself is my right.) I have the right, as Kent put it, to be left alone. All other rights come from that SINGLE ONE and are just clarifications on that one.

As a mother, when I think of rights I also think of my rights as to my children; that I have a right to raise them with me, that the ideas I feel are important can be communicated to them.
Do you have the right to raise them as you want? In other words, can you beat them to a bloody pulp if you think it is important to teach them to be tough and take pain? I don't think keeping ones children are a "right" except under the right to be left alone (while raising your kids) as long as the raiser isn't unnecessarily "harming" someone else.

[lucille]

Perhaps you did not read what I wrote: I wrote that I think I have a right to
1) raise them with me (as opposed to being raised by a collective, as is done in some societies) and
2) communicate ideas I feel are important, to them.

I agree to the right to be left alone (while raising your kids) as long as the raiser isn't unnecessarily "harming" someone else."


I also listed a property right as to my children, that if I whould choose to deprive my self of property and give that property to them, that I should be allowed to do so no matter what the cost to me.

[KJUN]

So far, I am the only one who posted beliefs in a right to enforce basic rights; somehow on a gun board I thought there would be more alongside me.
I think (again, my opinion only) that one can list all the rights one wants, but if one does not specifically reserve the right to enforce those rights, they are just words on paper...
You don't "reserve" a right. You HAVE a right that you can defend or not defend...give away or keep...

The Bill of Rights doesn't RESERVE or GIVE you those rights. They are the rights the fore fathers of this once great (and still the best option there is) country admitted that you had just for being a human being. There is a difference there. Words reflect our thoughts and words effect our thoughts. Be careful how you say things. No matter what, nothing "reserves" rights for us unless you give away the permission to someome to let you or not let you have them.

Heinlein once wrote that you can NOT free a slave - he must free himself. That is completely true. The reverse is more true! Put me in chains, take away my books (or burn them), whip me, or whatever. I will still die a free man. I will think what I want, I will do my best to preserve my life and regain my liberties, I will STILL be free in my mental beliefs. THAT is still the most important part of being free.

[lucille]

My point being, that no one has heretofore mentioned this right to defense.
Also:
"They are the rights the fore fathers of this once great (and still the best option there is) country admitted that you had just for being a human being."

You should be more careful in your choice of words. Our forefathers did not in fact think women had many of these rights although they did count them as human beings, or that diverse races had many rights. And, if you will look into historical perspectives, our forefathers did not agree to many of these things as a group, there was considerable controversy throughout the process and some never did change their perspective.

[KJUN]

Our forefathers did not in fact think women had many of these rights although they did count them as human beings
To the first point: and?

To the second point: but maybe I don't?

:nyah:

[lucille]

KJUN, baby, you're kinda cute when you get all argumentative like that..... :roflmao1:

[John in AR]

"Women! You give them the right to vote, and look at the world today." :dgrin:

[Aslan]

Everyone should have the right to do as they please, as long as they don't harm or POTENTIALLY harm others.

POTENTIALLY is a slippery slope, but hear me out...

You can get drunk on your ass 24/7 and I don't care. However, you get behind the wheel of a car while drunk and you are now playing russian roulette with me and my family - and I don't want to play.

This is no different than me pointing a loaded gun at you with my finger on the trigger. I haven't done anything to hurt you - yet. Waiting until After the 'bad event' or the harm happens is way too late. The loss of life is kinda hard to undo.

Just something to consider.

I need to run or I'd expand my post - maybe later.

:devil: