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I'm watching the news as the Israeli troops pull the last holdouts from the synagouge. I'm amazed at the restraint on both sides of this issue.
Yesterday, I watched as doors to homes were sledgehammered open and the occupants pulled out, literally from their homes. Today, I'm watching the settlers throw sand on the troops, and the troops respond with soapy water.
The news is asking about the "acid" that was being dumped on the troops, and the troop commander is saying that it was only oily substance (probably diesel fuel) and the troop commander is downplaying the flammability and danger this posed.
While the settlers were vehement in not wanting to go, it appeared that they didn't actively assault the troops, besides the sand and diesel. No real violence displayed, and the troops responded in kind.
I'm just in total amazement that the two sides can have a pretty much peaceful disagreement on this issue. I would not have been surprised at a bloodbath as the troops invaded the settler's homes, but this has not been the case.
I guess that the soldiers didn't like this job none too much either, and the settlers seemed to know this and not take their frustrations out on them.
There must be a better brotherhood among the Israelis, seeing how they live in a constant state of war.
The Israelis are indeed gentle with their own people. Think about how our alphabet soup agencys would handle our people in the same circumstances. Not a pretty visual.
RIKA
Look in the mirror, how would you react to the alpahabet soup coming at your door with a sledgehammer?
Simply amazing the way this is going over there.....
Look in the mirror, how would you react to the alpahabet soup coming at your door with a sledgehammer?
I'm not sure what you mean by that Tuna. To explain myself, at least the Israelis aren't machine gunning and burning to death their own people and I haven't heard of any 14yr old boys being shot in the back or women holding babys in their arms being executed. I don't blame the people at all for being highly pissed about being thrown out of their homes but it appears (from news reports) that both sides have exercised remarkable restraint.
Of course I could have a totally wrong take on this and will gracefully accept being set right on any mistaken thinking on my part.
RIKA
Wasn't aimed directly at you Rika. I'll rephrase it...
If I look in the mirror, I don't know that I could have had the same restraint that the Israelis had in this situation. From what I can tell about most people on this site, I don't think that most of us would have a peaceful reaction to someone kicking in my door and telling me to leave my home.
Wasn't aimed directly at you Rika. I'll rephrase it...
If I look in the mirror, I don't know that I could have had the same restraint that the Israelis had in this situation. From what I can tell about most people on this site, I don't think that most of us would have a peaceful reaction to someone kicking in my door and telling me to leave my home.
I'm certain that almost everyone here will agree with you. I do.
RIKA
Magnum88C
08-18-2005, 06:22 PM
From what I can tell about most people on this site, I don't think that most of us would have a peaceful reaction to someone kicking in my door and telling me to leave my home.
Hell no we wouldn't.
And you're right, the restraint was amazing.
John in AR
08-18-2005, 06:52 PM
I’d always thought of the ‘toughness’ of the Israeli people; the whole “mess with us & we’ll kill you right now” approach they always seemed to have. After watching this, I think I was wrong – I now see a “tribe” or “clan” mentality.
Same “we’ll kill you right back” stance when it comes to outsiders, but a strong obeisance to their own masters.
Basically a herd. A herd of wild horses instead of a flock of sheep perhaps, but still a herd mentality.
Flinter
08-18-2005, 07:57 PM
They will regret this in the long run. The goverment of Israel gave in to terrorists and the population knows it. Gaza will be the example Hamas uses now to show the next generation that terrorism works.
Magnum88C
08-18-2005, 08:18 PM
John in AR, if you read your old testament, you'll find that's the way they've always been. Very hard-line to non Jews, and very obsequient to their own.
Flinter, the whole "land for peace" bull will go down as one of Israel's monumental mistakes.
Aslan
08-19-2005, 03:58 AM
I have mixed feelings on the whole Israel issue to begin with. If Moses had walked a little farther, maybe we could have avoided this mess entirely.
Israel (the country) was created by the UN. This is probably the first of their long record of causing problems trying to do the right thing. (I don't think the corruption hit until later.)
So, I can understand the local people being upset with Israel for being their on what was part of other countries (I think, and may be wrong, that Egypt and Palestine were the two at the time of Israel's creation.)
But, the Israelis captured the Gaza strip during a war that was designed to wipe them out. I figure they won it fair and square in a fight they didn't start, they should get to keep it. To me it would be like giving the original 13 colonies back to the British.
hence my mixed emotions. (but if this was taking place here, people would be dying.)
:devil:
Magnum88C
08-19-2005, 06:56 AM
Well, maybe the UN shouldn't have butted in, but:
"Palestine" never existed. It was a fabrication by Yassir Arafat's uncle (another genetic line that should have ended long ago). Israel was carved out of actual nations (Egypt and Jordan IIRC).
At the time of Israel's formation there were hardly any people there at all, nobody wanted the desolate trash heap. The second they heard a nation of Israel was to be built there, the (here it comes again) filthy animals flooded the place to they could whine and cry and jihad over something.
More blame is to be place on the "sweet kind darling little arab neighbors" for the "palestinian's" situation than anyone else. Know who "palestinians" are? They aren't the fictional inhabitants of the fictional "palestine", they are the arab trash thrown out of other arab countries. The same resolution that formed Israel, formed a nation from those displaced -- their own soverign country. EXCEPT, Jopdan annexed it, and threw them out -- with the express OPENLY STATED purpose of causing a problem for Israel -- yet there were no international outcries about arabs stealing arab land, that's ok, but there's plenty of outcry about NOT letting arabs steal what isn't theirs.
As for the issue of Moses walking a little further. . .if you believe the bible, God chose these people -- not because they were considered "the best" of people, unlike what most people, including the jews themselves, think. But because He wanted an example of the best and worst that is in people to show how He is willing to deal with humanity. Because He chose them, they would be equally hated anywhere He established them. OTOH, if they had wiped out the occupants of the land they were given (remember the land God gave them went all the way from the Mediterrainean to the Euphrates) when they were told to, this wouldn't have happened. They were warned that if they didn't do so, that those people would be a thorn in their side until God established his kingdom on earth. Gee, what's happened in the intervening thousands of years?
BigEd63
08-19-2005, 10:35 AM
Magnum- Ya hit it right on the head there.
What's made it hard to figure out what's going on there has a alot to do with the BS piled up by all the sides in that conflict.
Topped of with the liberal BS "can't we all just get along" mentality that's infecting the western nations.
And as for the UN "creating" Isreal I think some Jews as a whole were already buying land and moving back there before the UN was even created. IIRC wasn't Palestine a British colonial territory around that time?
anodes
08-19-2005, 11:24 AM
De-ocupation is an interesting thing. I can only compair it to the example I've seen here in AZ, the "de-occupation" of the JUA (joint use area) between the Hopi boundry and Navaho res. This was established by "treaty" as a buffer zone, kind of a "neutral zone" that both tribes were to use jointly. It was later established that the JUA was principally Hopi Land and the Navajos had no claim. This after 50+ years of joint occupation. There are many similarities, actually. Navaho homes in the JUA weren't allowed to be repaired, no new construction, eventual relocation. The Navajos were built new homes on alternate lands with your money, far superior to what they had in the JUA as enticement and benifit to the burdens of relocation. It took time. There were many "hard feelings" on both sides. Maybe even sand throwing...;) But no armed insurection, no media coverage, no acid. In the end the land abides and it really is just a desert. Worth fighting for? It is when that's ALL you've got, regardless of how it was "carved" to begin with.
anodes.
robert garner
08-22-2005, 06:49 PM
Herodotus described Palistine ,guess the Greeks knew little of the world tho.
gripper
08-22-2005, 09:11 PM
Hey Magnum! Are you referring to Yassir's uncle Haj Amin al-Hussein?Red headed mullah of Old hurusalem?The one that was a guest of HItler,recruited Bosnian muslims into the SS??Yeah,I agree,not only should THAT line have been cut,the liottle worm(arafat)did't crawl too far away from the (rotten) apple.
If the Plai-authority and Hamas had a similarly equuipped and disciplined military,Israel would not exist.This proves that the Israelis(to their detriment)are the only reason the Palestinians even exist;weere the shoe on the other foot they'd be living out their Hitlerian genocidal fantasies and mudering Jews in greater numbers than they do now.Not to mention Arab christians who aren't "with the program".
Magnum88C
08-23-2005, 06:38 AM
Yeah, that would be the one Gripper. . .if ya ask me, he should have been one of the first to be picked up and/or executed in our "war on terror". Hell, he was the posterior orifice behind all those hijackings and hostage situations we had in the '70s and early '80s. . .course some asshat had to give him the Nobel Peace prize. . .what a joke. . .I'd like to give him the .45 caliber peace prize.
Aslan
08-23-2005, 01:11 PM
I saw a map, circa 1927 that had an area labeled Palestine on it. Maybe it wasn't a country, but it was a region....
:devil:
Magnum88C
08-23-2005, 06:00 PM
Yes the entire region, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, etc are collectively the region of "palestine", but there never was a nation called Palestine.
Of course, that means the "palestinians" should be demanding land from Syria and Lebanon, as well as the section of Western Jordan that was originally theirs, before their "good", muslim brothers decided to "annex" (steal) it from them.
Jordan is actually the Palestinian homeland but the Jordanians threw them out because they were troublemakers. If it were me I would let the Pallies go suck.
RIKA
Magnum88C
08-23-2005, 09:24 PM
Kinda sorta. About the western 60% of Jordan was the "palestinians" homeland, it wasn't originally part of Jordan, Jordan later annexed it and threw them out. It was for two reasons, 1.) like you said, they're trouble ("palestinians" are basically the ni**ers of the arab world) 2.) Jordan stated it was so they'd foment trouble between the Israelis and the rest of the arab world, thus providing an excuse for the elimination of the jewish nation, and the jews themselves.
Nice folks they are. . .
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