SOG vs Emerson

[DaRkWoLf]

In regards to folders, what is the general consensus on SOG (better, worse, fairly equal) in regards to Emerson?

[gripper]

Emerson is defintely higher end and price. That said;I'd go wit a Spyderco....or if I was (like now) poor;Benchmade or Cold Steel.

[GBullet]

Spyderco's are splendid. Me like Spyderco. :)

[krept]

I like Spyderco as well, the Pikal model in particular.

between the two, I don't think many knives can fade Emerson's waved blades in terms of opening speed. Without Strider and the Spyderco Pikal, I'd definitely go for an Emerson Commander. I've always loved the blade design and the wave feature.

[GBullet]

krept, I like the Mini-Commander and intend to get one.

How is the wave feature faster? You have to snag the wave on your pocket for speed, don't you?

[krept]

exactly... without it, it's basically as fast as any other "fast" opener. With it, there are many testimonials of how quick it is into action. The tension is adjustable, so you can always flip it open as well (one thing you can't do with riveted Spydercos).

[Urban Hillbilly]

ive got an Emerson Spec-Ops or is it Spec-War? and i really dont dig it. for the money if i had to do it over again, id have bought another Cold Steel Recon folder (gave to sister) and saved myself some money, or just bought a Benchmade. ive owned Spyderco's, and a buddy of mine swears by them, they are great knives. i had a little SOG folder back in highschool, cute little thing, black plastic(?) handle, thumbstud in the side of about a 3" blade... sharp and easy to sharpen. its long went to the world of lost socks though. i keep hoping someday ill find it packed away in a box. great little blade, even after i used it to short the starter on my little sisters car right after id bought the SOG. it was all i had with me at the time to use. im of the mind that Emersons are overpriced and over rated, i am a bit biased though since my Emerson came dull out of the box, and ive never been able to get it sharp, not as sharp as a Benchmade. then again im not a great knife sharpener so that could be it. just my opinion based on my experience. in the end though we all have to pay our money and take our chances.

[andy]

Guys claim that pocked draw speed aint fast enough, yet worry about the "speed" of a folding knife? hell, after you get it open, it's worth almost nothing as a weapon. anyone with a 2 ft long pipe or other club can easily screw up a folding knife wielder. A good man can do so, with just his folded belt, shoes to throw, etc. They just don't amount to much.

[DaRkWoLf]

Guys claim that pocked draw speed aint fast enough, yet worry about the "speed" of a folding knife? hell, after you get it open, it's worth almost nothing as a weapon. anyone with a 2 ft long pipe or other club can easily screw up a folding knife wielder. A good man can do so, with just his folded belt, shoes to throw, etc. They just don't amount to much.

1) Knives are more than weapons. I use my 110 very very regularly (and in fact it needs to be resharpened).

2) In many situations, in very close proximity, propper use of a folding knife is a strong force multiplier.

[andy]

In the time it would take you to draw and unfold it, I could easily grab your head and break your neck, or hit you at least 4x. Maybe a gal or an elderly man would find this "multiplier" to be of use (on a rare occasion) but a fit, adult man, hardly likely.

[Wylycoyte]

Aslan sucks. :nyah:

[Aslan]

In the time it would take you to draw and unfold it, I could easily grab your head and break your neck, or hit you at least 4x. Maybe a gal or an elderly man would find this "multiplier" to be of use (on a rare occasion) but a fit, adult man, hardly likely.

You must not have trained much with knives then, when you were earning your belt. (or at least not with a good knife)

The amount of time required to bring a good knife on line is the time it takes to move your hand from your side to ready position. This can be done while blocking or parrying with the other hand. It can also be done while moving.

The majority of the folders I own can be opened without even changing momentum or shifting my hand while bringing them to bear.

If you actually took the time to evaluate a good knife, your opinion would probably change.

I doubt you could do any of those things against a fit adult who knew how to handle a knife, or even an unfit one who knew how to handle one.

The fact that you don't see a knife as a force multiplier makes me question just what it was you were taught as a martial art.

(don't bother threatening me with some kind of kick your ass or kill you remark - we both know you wouldn't show up anyway.)

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[Aslan]

Aslan sucks. :nyah:

ROTFLMAO!


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Good one!

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[Wylycoyte]

ROTFLMAO!


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Good one!

:devil:

Saw you posting so I figured I'd **** with you. :D

The point Darkwolf made was re: a knife that was already open. Now we're talking about draw times again. Nice shift in parameters.

[Aslan]

**** I missed the already open point in all of Andy's superior knowledge :rolleyes:

Oh well, that makes his tirade even more amusing.


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[GBullet]

Andy's right that a stick or pipe beats a folding knife as a weapon. Regardless of our skills, the stick has longer reach.

To me, folding knives are everyday tools, not weapons. If I need to defend myself, I want to draw something that goes bang.

For me the ability to open a knife quickly with one hand relates to the speed of deployment of a tool, or the ability to use the knife if one hand is occupied or disabled. A one hand opening Swiss Army Knife is infinitely more versatile than a one hand opening stilletto, though the latter has a very high "cool factor".

[Aslan]

Andy's right that a stick or pipe beats a folding knife as a weapon. Regardless of our skills, the stick has longer reach.

To me, folding knives are everyday tools, not weapons. If I need to defend myself, I want to draw something that goes bang.

For me the ability to open a knife quickly with one hand relates to the speed of deployment of a tool, or the ability to use the knife if one hand is occupied or disabled. A one hand opening Swiss Army Knife is infinitely more versatile than a one hand opening stilletto, though the latter has a very high "cool factor".

There's some truth to that, however to complete dismiss an edged weapon is foolish - especially if the wielder has even a small inkling on how to actually use one.

Depending on the circumstances, I might be willing to sacrifice my weak arm against your pipe to finish you with a knife.

Or, by moving, using kicks, strikes with either hand, etc., I may create an opening that takes away any advantages the pipe or stick gives you. (of course the same can be said for the person with the stick or pipe)

I favor holding a knife "earth blade". if you made a fist and held it out in front of you vertically with you thumb on top and little finger on the bottom, the point of the knife would be pointed at the ground and the blade would be facing outward from your body.

From this position, it is very difficult for someone to take the knife from you, and you can block, strike, slash and stab using the same basic movements you would with an empty fist.

Never underestimate the damage a knife can do.

As far as belts, shoes, etc. those are good ideas, but don't take away from the knife's ability to cause death or serious injury.

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[krept]

definitely.

For smaller blades, I definitely favor Pikal style. The blade is held edge in and either tip up or tip down depending on the circumstances. Sewing needle approach and if anything gets in between a stab and the retraction stroke (where you have the most force) it gets sheared something ugly. Primary focus is the stab, just like shankings in prison... the difference is that mean edge on the way out - that's just gravy.

I wish I could find some vids of this guy Ray Floro using it in action. The speed and effectiveness of his "jabs" are totally amazing. just like a fistfight, those jabs set everything else up... a couple rips later you go into stickstickstickstickstick and it's ugly. i can definitely see how people end up getting stabbed 30-40 times in a quick fight. It's a lot like CQB shooting too... not just some fancy bang bang reasses but bangbangbangbangbang etc.

Wyly opened my eyes up to SouthNarc, definitely changed my thoughts regarding stuff like this. shivworks.com. the new folder he designed is badass.

[andy]

After 1-2 good slashs, his arms should be spaghetti, so why not just grab one of them, cut his neck good and deep, and let him drop?

[Aslan]

After 1-2 good slashs, his arms should be spaghetti, so why not just grab one of them, cut his neck good and deep, and let him drop?

For one thing, you aren't doing one or two slashes - your doing the 30-40 as a single set of continuous movements. Arts like Kali, Escrima, and Arnis all stress this type of fluid movement.

Also, you never have to grab him to finish him, nor do you have to stop moving either.

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