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Gunners762
02-01-2007, 05:49 PM
Anti-federal bills move forward in House


Feb. 1, 2007

HELENA -- Lawmakers in the Montana House of Representatives collectively thumbed their noses at the federal government Monday by approving two bills exempting guns from federal regulations and driver's licenses from national standardization requirements.

The bills by Reps. Diane Rice, R-Harrison, and Roger Koopman, R-Bozeman, do different things but are driven by the same concern: the erosion of personal liberties by the federal government.

Koopman said Monday his gun bill, House Bill 366, would inspire a home-grown industry of gun-makers who produce firearms to be sold in Montana. It also sends a message reaffirming states' rights. "In that regard, this bill really has positive consequences, I believe, beyond the firearms industry itself," he said.

NATIONAL STANDARDS FOR DRIVERS LICENSES

Rice is sponsoring HB 304, which would prevent the state from cooperating with the federal government in establishing nationwide standards for noncommercial driver's licenses.

Federal standards, she said, amount to a national ID card. Critics fear that such standards will lead to the government tracking its citizens.

There was virtually no debate about the bill before lawmakers voted 94-6 to pass it, with a third and final vote expected today.

It also makes it illegal to issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens, which currently isn't prohibited under state law.

FEDERAL GUN CONTROL LAWS

Koopman's HB 366 would exempt guns made in Montana from federal regulation under the commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution, as long as the guns remain inside the state.

Rep. Tim Dowell, D-Kalispell, criticized it as aiding terrorism. He noted that law enforcement officers used gun regulations to link the Washington D.C.-area sniper shootings.

Terrorists "can come to Montana, they can buy one of these weapons, go on a reign of terror, and there would be no way to track them down," he said.

He also questioned the logic of the state exempting itself from federal law.

"That's pretty cool, maybe we should say we aren't subject to the income tax," he said.

Dowell's complaints were dismissed as "crazy emotionalism" by Rep. Ed Butcher, R-Winifred. In the end, 73 lawmakers voted to move the bill forward, and afterward there was scattered applause on the House floor.

A third and final vote is expect today. If both bills pass their third vote, then they will move on to the Senate.

A BILL FOR AN ACT ENTITLED: "AN ACT EXEMPTING FROM REGULATION UNDER THE COMMERCE CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES A FIREARM, A FIREARM ACCESSORY, OR AMMUNITION MANUFACTURED AND RETAINED IN MONTANA."

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MONTANA:

NEW SECTION. Section 1. Short title. [Sections 1 through 6] may be cited as the "Montana Firearms Freedom Act".

NEW SECTION. Section 2. Legislative declarations of authority. The legislature declares that the authority for [sections 1 through 6] is the following:

(1) The 10th amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to the states and their people all powers not granted to the federal government elsewhere in the constitution and reserves to the state and people of Montana certain powers as they were understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guarantee of those powers is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.

(2) The ninth amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to the people rights not granted in the constitution and reserves to the people of Montana certain rights as they were understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guarantee of those rights is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.

(3) The regulation of intrastate commerce is vested in the states under the 9th and 10th amendments to the United States constitution, particularly if not expressly preempted by federal law. Congress has not expressly preempted state regulation of intrastate commerce pertaining to the manufacture on an intrastate basis of firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition.

(4) The second amendment to the United States constitution reserves to the people the right to keep and bear arms as that right was understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889, and the guarantee of the right is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.

(5) Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution clearly secures to Montana citizens, and prohibits government interference with, the right of individual Montana citizens to keep and bear arms. This constitutional protection is unchanged from the 1889 Montana constitution, which was approved by congress and the people of Montana, and the right exists as it was understood at the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.

NEW SECTION. Section 3. Definitions. As used in [sections 1 through 6], the following definitions apply:

(1) "Borders of Montana" means the boundaries of Montana described in Article I, section 1, of the 1889 Montana constitution.

(2) "Firearms accessories" means items that are used in conjunction with or mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a firearm, including but not limited to telescopic or laser sights, magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks and grips, speedloaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target illumination.

(3) "Generic and insignificant parts" includes but is not limited to springs, screws, nuts, and pins.

(4) "Manufactured" means creating a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition from basic materials for functional usefulness, including but not limited to forging, casting, machining, or other processes for working materials.

NEW SECTION. Section 4. Prohibition. A personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Montana and that remains within the borders of Montana is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce. It is declared by the legislature that those items have not traveled in interstate commerce. This section applies to a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured in Montana from basic materials and that can be manufactured without the inclusion of any significant parts imported from another state. Generic and insignificant parts that have other manufacturing or consumer product applications are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition, and their importation into Montana and incorporation into a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition manufactured in Montana does not subject the firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition to federal regulation. It is declared by the legislature that basic materials, such as unmachined steel and unshaped wood, are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition and are not subject to congressional authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition under interstate commerce as if they were actually firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition. The authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce in basic materials does not include authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition made in Montana from those materials. Firearms accessories that are imported into Montana from another state and that are subject to federal regulation as being in interstate commerce do not subject a firearm to federal regulation under interstate commerce because they are attached to or used in conjunction with a firearm in Montana.

NEW SECTION. Section 5. Exceptions. [Section 4] does not apply to:

(1) a firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person;

(2) a firearm that has a bore diameter greater than 1 1/2 inches and that uses smokeless powder, not black powder, as a propellant;

(3) ammunition with a projectile that explodes using an explosion of chemical energy after the projectile leaves the firearm; or

(4) a firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one activation of the trigger or other firing device.

NEW SECTION. Section 6. Marking of firearms. A firearm manufactured or sold in Montana under [sections 1 through 6] must have the words "Made in Montana" clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or frame.

NEW SECTION. Section 7. Codification instruction. [Sections 1 through 6] are intended to be codified as an integral part of Title 30, and the provisions of Title 30 apply to [sections 1 through 6].

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/articles/2005/02/15/news/anti.txt

Gunners762
02-01-2007, 09:06 PM
HELENA - The Montana House of Representatives passed two bills Wednesday that would make Montana one of the first states in the country to reject federally approved national identification cards.

On a 99-1 bipartisan vote, the group passed House Bill 287, by Rep. Brady Wiseman, D-Bozeman. Only minutes later, the House passed a nearly identical bill, HB384, by Rep. Diane Rice, R-Harrison, by a 100-0 vote.

Rep. Dave Kasten, R-Brockway, voted against the Democrats' bill.

Both bills move on to a final, procedural House vote expected Thursday. They go after a 2005 federal law called the Real ID Act, which requires states to issue drivers' licenses that meet certain federal requirements, including verifying citizenship. The law, which requires states to meet the new standards by 2008, would also create national mandates that all drivers' licenses must meet.

Critics have argued that such standards make drivers' licenses tantamount to a national identification system and would not really protect America from terrorists, the stated goal behind the act.

No one spoke against either bill Wednesday.

Montana is one of several states considering bills to opt out of the Real ID Act.

The state would have to spend about $2.7 million meet the federal requirements, according to information from Wiseman.

"All we need now to protect our freedom is a spark," Wiseman told fellow lawmakers Wednesday. "This bill is the flint."

Rep. Tom McGillvray, R-Billings, said the federal requirements may violate the Montana Constitution, which guarantees a specific right to privacy.

"This is the very thing that they saw coming in the future," McGillvray said of the 100 Montanans who wrote the state constitution in 1972.

The federal bill would require all states to use the same card technology, creating what critics say is the possibility that machines used to scan the cards could create an electronic map of the behavior of Americans.

However, others have argued that unless states issue licenses that meet the standards, residents of those states, including Montana, wouldn't be able to get on airplanes, open bank accounts or do other necessary activities that would require a compliant driver's license.

Rice urged lawmakers to pass both bills unanimously to send a clear message that Montana rejects the idea of turning state drivers' licenses into national identification cards.

"Many, many people are watching," she said, referring to recent national newspaper articles on the bills and others pending throughout the country.

Rich Z
02-01-2007, 11:16 PM
Darn shame it is so cold up in Montana. Sounds like a real pleasant place to live, politically.........

MileHighSailor
02-02-2007, 12:41 PM
It's official. When my daughter turns twelve, were moving to Montana.

DblTap
02-02-2007, 11:13 PM
It's not that cold. You just dress in layers. Get a block warmer for your car though for sure and don't forget to plug it in. I just moved to Montana last June and I am damn proud of these politicians. Just when I was beginning to think that I didn't have any representatives. I guess it's just the fed that I don't have representatives in.

fffg100grns
02-02-2007, 11:57 PM
These things are great news to me, I feared Liberals from Hollywood were over populating the state (Rumor),,, I would live there and be proud of it if chance comes up.

Coyote
02-03-2007, 06:17 AM
Does this mean machine guns are now legal in Montana, without federal red tape?

Montana is now my 2nd favourite state in your union, after Alaska.

Magnum88C
02-03-2007, 06:46 AM
I guess it's time to change my plans and move to Montana.

BigEd63
02-03-2007, 07:22 PM
Does this mean machine guns are now legal in Montana, without federal red tape?

Montana is now my 2nd favourite state in your union, after Alaska.


No it does not unfortunatly exempt them.

Sad to say even though I love the spirit of this law it realy does not do all that much except for "allow" for mfg in-state of non-classIII/NFA firearms.

Of course I could have missed something.

Also it seems they are making revisions to it.

My thinking is what part of ".. shall not be infringed(.)-*" don't they
understand? :headbang:

*- Please note the PERIOD at the end. :hot:

packnrat
09-06-2007, 01:52 AM
was thinking about movibg to nev....now just maybe montana.

can handle cold. down to about 65%f :)
really i work in a freezer, and i melt when it gets up to 80, i like it when it is below 60.

now what about a job :headbang:

brass hammer
09-06-2007, 02:07 AM
well,,,? there, is ALWAYS a 'post' AT THE COUNTY-MORGUE!!! :eek: :laugh01:

[jest'-kiddin'/ribbin'] :wavey:

packnrat
09-06-2007, 07:31 PM
well,,,? there, is ALWAYS a 'post' AT THE COUNTY-MORGUE!!! :eek: :laugh01:

[jest'-kiddin'/ribbin'] :wavey:

easy work, and your costomers do not complane.
:scatter:

BIGBORE
09-07-2007, 02:21 AM
Anti-federal bills move forward in House


NEW SECTION. Section 5. Exceptions. [Section 4] does not apply to:

(1) a firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person;

(2) a firearm that has a bore diameter greater than 1 1/2 inches and that uses smokeless powder, not black powder, as a propellant;

(3) ammunition with a projectile that explodes using an explosion of chemical energy after the projectile leaves the firearm; or

(4) a firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one activation of the trigger or other firing device.


http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/articles/2005/02/15/news/anti.txt

I aplaud both of these bills, but I hope that they fix Section 5(4) above before it is finalized. Now we all know they meant "fully automatic" firearms, but a lawyer would have a field day with this. If you read it carefully, is that not also the definition of a shotgun?

Best regards, BIGBORE

spurrit
10-03-2007, 08:22 AM
I aplaud both of these bills, but I hope that they fix Section 5(4) above before it is finalized. Now we all know they meant "fully automatic" firearms, but a lawyer would have a field day with this. If you read it carefully, is that not also the definition of a shotgun?

Best regards, BIGBORE



VERY good point. You should e-mail the writer of the bill about that.

cutter
12-08-2007, 01:22 AM
Regarding Section 5 (2):

I am just trying to imagine a 1.49 calibre revolver! It would be exempt from Federal regulation under the Montana law, but DAMN!