Gun Permit Revocation

[Gunners762]

Greg Rotz says he carries a gun every day. Election day was no different. This past November, Rotz tried to vote, while openly displaying his pistol. A constable asked him to leave the gun in his car while he voted, but Rotz refused. After a discussion, Rotz voted wearing his gun.

Days later, Rotz learned his concealed weapons permit had been revoked by Franklin County Sheriff Robert Wollyung.
"I was shocked," Rotz said. "I was speechless."

Rotz challenged the revocation in court, and won.

The judge ruled that Rotz did not break any laws, and ordered that his permit be returned.

"Nothing feels better than freedom," Rotz said. "Even if I had lost today and had to go back and do it all over again, I would do the exact same thing in the exact same manner because I believe that was the right thing to do."

Sheriff Wollyung, who is now retired, defended his actions.

He says he revoked Rotz' permit because, "I felt the actions he took that night indicated a flaw in character.

He added Rotz "had a brazenness about him that he could carry the gun no matter where he went."

Wollyung says he believes Rotz violated harassment and disorderly conduct laws.

Dozens of supporters came to the hearing Tuesday to support Rotz. "The law is the law," said Rich Banks from Wilkes-Barre. "Most of us that carry, carry everywhere.. a polling place, the grocery store."

Current Sheriff Dane Anthony says the supporters were courteous and compliant. He says he hopes people will use common sense if the issue arises again in the future. "Even if you're allowed to take your weapon into a particular building, sometimes it's just not necessary," Anthony said. http://www.whtm.com/news/stories/0108/486252.html

[7of7]

Current Sheriff Dane Anthony says ..."Even if you're allowed to take your weapon into a particular building, sometimes it's just not necessary,"

It is obvious to me that the new sheriff has much the same attitude.

It is good that the retired sheriff's decision was overturned, however the new one's statement seems to be similar. The question I have is who deems it not necessary?

[BigEd63]

Good for MR.Rotz and his supporters! :wavey:


A tiny bit off topic but our county court house now has armed guards, read sheriff deputies, at the main entrances to protect thew cort house from "whatever".

Something is sure the hell wrong when they feel threatend by the "public".:alien:

[heliophobic1]

Police are taking the whole fraternal order concept a little far these days. I have nothing against LEOs in general but, I see way too many with the Judge Dredd(I am the law) mentality. I also don't like that a lot of police are pushing really hard for retired police and military to be the only ones allowed to carry. That just seems a little wrong to me. Of course, I may be biased. In the lovely city of Phoenix I had to stand in the rain barefoot and shirtless for about an hour while the police went through the apt. Bearing in mind that I was the one who called them I think I was treated a little harshly(my criminal record would agree). That and they didn't let my girlfriend get dressed(she was in undies/bra) for nearly an hour until a female officer showed up and told them off. She asked about a dozen times if she could put some clothes on and they refused, made some rather unprofessional comments(when they'd come out side always making sure I was in earshot) and told her to answer their questions. I've had friends in law enforcement and never had a criminal charge to that point(not even a traffic violation) and they've got me in the rain trying to bait me. I honestly I see no reason for that kind of treatment. Because of that experience I'll never cooperate with LEOs again.

[shtfmilitia]

+1 for MR.Rotz

[fffg100grns]

We got no permits, but still, we went to a basket ball game Saturday night and signs every where "NO FIREARMS" All I could say is this place is asking for a terrorist attach.
They looked in my wifes purse but didn't even ask about the bulge in my coat.

[Aslan]

Police are taking the whole fraternal order concept a little far these days. I have nothing against LEOs in general but, I see way too many with the Judge Dredd(I am the law) mentality. I also don't like that a lot of police are pushing really hard for retired police and military to be the only ones allowed to carry. That just seems a little wrong to me. Of course, I may be biased. In the lovely city of Phoenix I had to stand in the rain barefoot and shirtless for about an hour while the police went through the apt. Bearing in mind that I was the one who called them I think I was treated a little harshly(my criminal record would agree). That and they didn't let my girlfriend get dressed(she was in undies/bra) for nearly an hour until a female officer showed up and told them off. She asked about a dozen times if she could put some clothes on and they refused, made some rather unprofessional comments(when they'd come out side always making sure I was in earshot) and told her to answer their questions. I've had friends in law enforcement and never had a criminal charge to that point(not even a traffic violation) and they've got me in the rain trying to bait me. I honestly I see no reason for that kind of treatment. Because of that experience I'll never cooperate with LEOs again.

Where in the Valley are you located?

I live in Chandler and my encounters with the police are very different from the experiences you are relating. I've heard that the police in some parts of Phoenix can be real jerks.

[heliophobic1]

Well Aslan, I lived in Mesa for about 4 months. Within 14 days of moving there I'd been brought up on charges and had my car broken into. Hell, when I called the police after my car got broken into(the day after my gf got a restraining order on her ex...the guy with the stash) I had to wait more than 30 min for them to show up only to have them tell me that the stuff that got stolen was "halfway to Mexico by now." Of course, these were the same LEOs who showed up on the original call and who failed to take the restrainee's apt. key. Yep, lots of **** came up missing over the next several days. I also had to keep doing sweeps of the apt. b/c he'd threatened(via voicemail) to plant drugs on the premises and call the cops. I thought calling someone who has a restraining order against you and leaving messages like that was a violation of the order but, apparently, the police didn't.

[mazak]

I pack almost everywhere I go, and with what happned about 3 months ago in a town about 20 minutes from here ,I might start packing at church, A guy that is Micronession(positive thats not correct spelling, but dont want to look it up) went into a church and shot at family members and a preacher, apparently an underage neice turned him in for a sex crime against her. aAnd he was getting back at her and the family......best I rember there was 3-5 people killed...........

And just last month a pervert from about 10 minutes from here took his 9 year old......stepdaughter.......9 years old.......to a budds house and the two perverts raped and killed her! then dumped her body in the woods....THATS why we need to pack heat!

In another post on A.L. I wrote a post about a body being found in the creek a few miles downstream this past summer.......That was a drug thing from what I heard.....

5 MINUTES AWAY
10 MINUTES AWAY
20 MINUTES AWAY

I need to mover farther away

It might not be N.Y.C. here, but it sure ain't Walton's mountain anymore!

[Aslan]

Well Aslan, I lived in Mesa for about 4 months. Within 14 days of moving there I'd been brought up on charges and had my car broken into. Hell, when I called the police after my car got broken into(the day after my gf got a restraining order on her ex...the guy with the stash) I had to wait more than 30 min for them to show up only to have them tell me that the stuff that got stolen was "halfway to Mexico by now." Of course, these were the same LEOs who showed up on the original call and who failed to take the restrainee's apt. key. Yep, lots of **** came up missing over the next several days. I also had to keep doing sweeps of the apt. b/c he'd threatened(via voicemail) to plant drugs on the premises and call the cops. I thought calling someone who has a restraining order against you and leaving messages like that was a violation of the order but, apparently, the police didn't.

That totally sucks...

[gripper]

I've had a bit too much experience with CLEO's and this issue...In Ma.,the Chiefs ARE given the "may issue sunject to the interpretaion"...power of CH 180...When I was living there,Keery Healey made noises about removing the discretionary authority of the chiefs and making the Commonwealth a "single standard of law" RE LTC's,but the anti gun types out shouted her.Unfortunately,Romney was the one to let the Chiefs keep their power back when they passed CH 150( the partial reform that established the FLRB under the State Police).
I live in Nashua NH these days,basically a rooming house;but I got a NH LTC no sweat. And I am gradually tring to regain some of the jobs that I lost when the local CLEO where I used to live system tried to railroad me.