Chinese influence?

[Rich Z]

The other day, my wife was telling me about new regulations going into effect here in Florida concerning new procedures commercial fishermen have to go through in order to bring their product to market. I won't go into details, but suffice it to say that it is yet another burden that regulations (both state and federal) are imposing on an industry trying to make a living. It was my wife's comment that started this following thought process flowing: "Soon people aren't going to be able to get local seafood because no one will be willing to go through all the hassle. So all we will have available to eat will be that imported crap."

Hmm... What a windfall such regulations are to the countries exporting such goods to the USA, eh?

How many other industries have gone that same route lately? Up until this new thought poked into my brain, I had been thinking that the regulations that were driving industry out of business within the USA was simply a matter of our government going berserk and not realizing the damage such policies were doing to our economy and way of life. But is it that way at all? Who receives the benefits when manufacturers in the USA go away? Who actually benefits from the regulations that are apparently making that happen?

How dependent is the USA on China's "goodwill"? How much does the USA actually owe China? How much influence does China have on governmental policies with this sword they have over this country's head right now? Is it REALLY any accident or merely coincidental that those rules and regulations passed by our government that has caused the decline of industry within this country ALSO benefits China tremendously?

Let's face it, if China said it was calling in the loans RIGHT NOW and would stop exporting anything to the USA immediately, what would that do to our economy? And what would our "representatives" do if presented with this sort of ultimatum unless certain rules and regulations were passed?

Of course, I'm sure there is quite a bit of "carrot" offered along with the threat of that "stick", but it sure does make me wonder how much of the decline of our country can be blamed solely on pure stupidity coming out of congress.

[jasper]

If China were to cash in all the T bills and other treasure notes they hold, that alone would add another trillion $ of debt to us...

China has SIGNIFICANT political clout in D.C. right now! Try to get your rep to talk about any enviromental law that is mandatory for import permits from any country -except China.

The Chinese state has even managed to silence the Falun Gong movement over here, by putting pressure on the U.S. state dept.

I know it's not easy nowadays to find non-chinese made products in the electronics or minor manufactured products field, but I fight any purchase as best as I can.I absolutly refuse to buy any leather product thats made overseas, it involves a bunch of searching sometimes, and usually more money, not much, but I'm starting to look at other areas also.

There ARE American made products out there, just stay out of walmart...

I personally believe that the next REAL big global dust-up will be with China as the key instigator...Possibly over Taiwan or Siberian natural resources.

[vaguard]

The key warning indicator to be looked at is China's male population.

PARIS (AFP) — Selective abortion in favor of males has left China with 32 million more boys than girls, creating an imbalance that will endure for decades, an investigation released on Friday warned.

http://markschinablog.blogspot.com/2009/04/chinas-looming-malefemale-ratio.html


When you go through history and find nations that had that type of imbalance you will also note that they went to war. What is the one thing that many of us military always thought about??? Our family and wife, what if you don't have that? You would be willing to do whatever it takes in order to get it. I believe we are in mortal danger. We are economically under their thumb and have lost our ability to manufacture as well. With the current legislation in place we couldn't do squat if we wanted to.

China is our greatest enemy and this thought of converting them to democracy was either a fools errand or straight out treason due to big business wanting to line it's pockets with quick and easy cash. For those that don't believe... what do I care? These are the same people that believe what ever the news media tells them.

Our problem is that our Government, News media and Judicial system have all become corrupt. We face a triple whammy in our own house and nothing less than a miracle can get these low life traitors out of office. China, Islam, Iran, Russia, our own Government... no wonder there is an ammo shortage.

[12XLR8]

Huh funny you should mention that Rich our Governor, Linda Lingle will be traveling there sometime next month ( Again) for some business. All the while she is furloughing the teachers ( I guess education is not a priority ), laying off state workers,and also pay cuts to state workers etc.. We just had the state of the state address and she stated any employer who hires anyone full time who is on welfare will have a tax break. Tax break ? when the state is in a so called financial crisis. Makes me think she wants a whole lot of cheap labor so they can make big profits ( Protect the rich people ). Well this is just my opinion. www.kgmb.com check it out. We still got the first amendment right do we?

[jasper]

Saw an article this morning that the Chinese are really pissed that we are upgrading Taiwans defence capabilities...

Told ya .........

:)

[arebindixie]

I know cheap flea market and discount store items from China have been around for awhile. As a matter of fact, I was delighted by a novel little Chinese switchblade that I bought for $6.00 just a couple of weeks ago. But today, after I bought a signal bulb for my old Dodge, and noticed "CHINA" emblazoned across the plug, I got to thinking.

My brand new Compaq laptop is a product of China, my Motorola cell phone is made in China, my Nikon camera is made in China (I find this most ironic), two Kobalt screwdrivers I bought this week were made in China, and I recently saw a display of Schrade knives and noted that they were made in China. I was shocked to see China stamped on the tang of the Buck knife carried by a friend.

As I write this, I was compelled to check my can of Pabst Blue Ribbon; it seems to remain domestic as of the moment. I think Rich has a valid point and one well worth considering. The other question is who else (Bilderberg et al?) benefits from the destruction of US industry. I feel we have been sold out (literally) by a self serving government.

[Rich Z]

I think it would be interesting to find out how many of our representatives have PERSONALLY profitted from the policies they have passed that are beneficial to China.

Damned quislings should be boiled in oil.......

[Rich Z]

You know there is another aspect of this that has dawned on me. How much of the piss poor economy status just MIGHT be because a large proportion of people have just stopped buying the piss poor CRAP we are getting from China and Mexico? Surely people are as tired as I am of buying crap that is defective or has a lifespan measured in DAYS after it is taken from the box and used? And all of this junk is only fit for land fill retirement when it dies, because it isn't worth fixing.

I'm looking to buy a compressor for my new garage, but damn, trying to find one NOT made in China (even if it is a USA company that gets the compressor from China and slaps their logo on it), is pretty damned tough to do.

[vaguard]

Tell me what piece of technology or white good that is made in the USA? If there is (and I really want to know) I will buy it. I can't find anything made in the USA...

[Rich Z]

Actually, I believe a few firearms might actually still be made in the U.S.A. But I doubt ALL of the parts in them still are.

You know, the USA has gone to war to protect critical natural resources deemed necessary to national security. How long before China will be considered a similar necessity to our welfare? Wouldn't that be a kick in the balls? Have to go to war to protect China? And yet our representatives are jumping through hoops to make this happen.

Has anyone considered that this "new world order" thing might actually mean that China will be at the top of the food chain? With the USA somewhere near the bottom with all the other third world countries completely dependent on those at the top? I haven't heard anyone ask what the word "order" actually means in that phrase......

[12XLR8]

Do we need them or do they need us? That's the question?:uzi:

[Rich Z]

Do we need them or do they need us? That's the question?:uzi:

That is actually a good question. It is said that a bank owns the small creditor but that large creditor owns the bank. Simply because if a large creditor defaults, a bank could be forced into bankruptcy.

So I guess a lot depends on how much of China's economy exists solely from the interest received from the USA on those debts. What do you suppose those interest payments are that the USA owes on it's debt? Maybe this is a case of an economic MAD policy........... :shrugs:

[12XLR8]

Well if it's this way " you want it you come to me" then I really don't want to know, because our governor is flying up there again:unhappy:

[vaguard]

Chinese see U.S. debt as weapon (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/10/chinese-see-us-debt-as-weapon/)