[Terry G]

Has anyone noticed that so-called test's on the Les Bauer and Kimber 1911's by the gun rags all make mention of failures? " A light tap on the back of the slide brought it fully into battery" "This particular pistol did not like the Remington Hollowpoints" "With a little light gunsmith tweaking, the problem should be resolved". On pistols costing $1,000 to $2,000 a copy? Or my favorite, a 1911 .22 that "did not like Remington ammo or hiccuped a few times with Winchester HP's" This was a $750.00 .22. What is going on with this? If my Ruger MK II wouldn't feed Reminton and Winchester ammunition I'd be screaming bloody murder! Let alone a $2,000 pistol "that needed a little tweaking".

 

[Guest]

You ever hear that about Glocks? No? Some of the top brands are very good but you can get a Sig or Glock out of the box and you will just about NEVER hear of anything like that. And I bet a pos Star chop job would jam ever 10 shots!

 

[Magnum88C]

Most of these high-priced 1911s have failures because they deviate from the original design and intent. First of all, the 1911 was not designed with JHPs even in mind, many, many choke on JHPs. Some of the newer designs (hence deviating from the original design of the 1911) do better, but I've never met one that would reliably feed all of the premium JHPs, much less the cheaper ones.

Second, the 1911 was design for extreme reliability, not to be target-accurate. The 1911 was originally more like Russian weapons than anything else, big, not that pretty, but reliable and loosey-deucey. Get an old Korea or before military 1911, and feed it FMJ ammo, and you won't find many failures. You also won't find .75" groups at 25 yards.

As much as I love my 1911s, I don't usually carry them, opting instead for a more modern design that is both accurate and reliable.

I sure as hell would be screaming bloody murder over a $2000 gun that didn't function.

 

[Terry G]

You ever hear that about Glocks? No? Some of the top brands are very good but you can get a Sig or Glock out of the box and you will just about NEVER hear of anything like that. And I bet a pos Star chop job would jam ever 10 shots!

My carry gun IS a Glock 21. Prior to that a Colt MK IV Series '70; no "tweaks" or jams it just shot. It still does. With a competion gun, I understand tolerances must be tight. But for a combat gun, what would you prefer, a reliable gun that shoot's 4 inch groups at 25 yards or a gun that is unreliable but shoots 1.5 inch groups?

 

[Guest]

I had lunch a week ago with a man who was an ex-army sniper who served in Vietnam and was on the Army rifle teem for several years. We talked guns. He liked my Kimber and mentioned how it was tight and that's real good for a target shooting pistol. But he said for combat you want the gun to rattle a little. I showed him my Colt made .45 that did rattle and he loved it. But when I told him about Glocks and them going up to 2000 rounds without cleaning and not jamming, he had to admit that they were one hell of a combat pistol.

 

[RIKA]

I like Glocks. They are very reliable and accurate. But ... my carry gun is a Colt Officers 45 that I gunsmithed myself. Out of several thousand rounds, I have had only one FTF and that was my fault - a reloaded semi-wadcutter cartridge out of spec. No other jams. Maybe I just got a good one but I trust it completely. All my other 45's are the same way; they're accurate and they don't jam.

If I had a $1000 = $2000 gun that jammed or misfired, I'd be screaming bloody murder because that thing ought to be perfect. But consider this, at least the custom gunsmiths aren't sending the gunwriters 1911's that have been prepped and tweaked until they are perfect. Okay you're right. ANY gun costing that much that goes out of their shop ought to be perfect. I assume that most if not all honor their warranty and fix the problems.

RIKA

 

[andy]

LaFrance offers LIFE guarantee on Star

chopped to his "Nova' configuration. HIS lifetime, and that includes BOTH parts and labor, stupid. Just because YOU can't handle a given job doesn't mean others can't do it just fine, stupid.

 

[41mag]

I have only two 1911 pattern pistols.An Auto Ordanance & a Colt.
The AO rattles like a ball bearing in a coffee can but fires every time I pull the trigger.The colt is a bit quieter but has the same result.Together they are worth quit a bit less than a grand.
If I were to spend 2k (or more)on ANY pistol it had better run right out of the box,AND wash my car,AND do laundry,AND reload its own ammo!
well,unless it's a Sig p210-6 that is.
:wavey:

 

[andy]

no only that, but it better have a 460

barrel, spare slide group in .45 ACP, muzzle wt, front sight thereon, for the 460 barrel,luminous insets in Bomar Adjustable sights, all the goodies, and have a Defender length slide, Commander length 460 barrel, an alloy frame, and have a Detonics length, steel slide Colt .22 unit. Without the .22 unit, top price would be $1400. I don't pay other people more than $10 an hour to do work I can do myself (and do it better, in nearly every case).

 

[Terry G]

Re: no only that, but it better have a 460

barrel, spare slide group in .45 ACP, muzzle wt, front sight thereon, for the 460 barrel,luminous insets in Bomar Adjustable sights, all the goodies, and have a Defender length slide, Commander length 460 barrel, an alloy frame, and have a Detonics length, steel slide Colt .22 unit. Without the .22 unit, top price would be $1400. I don't pay other people more than $10 an hour to do work I can do myself (and do it better, in nearly every case).

All that sounds great; too bad you can't even buy a .22 ( Davis) Derringer.

 

[andy]

go back to school, punk. "cant' means

"physically unable". what you MEAN, stupe is "may not", which involves "permission", which is of course COMPLETELY irrelavant.

 

[Terry G]

Re: go back to school, punk. "cant' means

"physically unable". what you MEAN, stupe is "may not", which involves "permission", which is of course COMPLETELY irrelavant.

No, I meant can't, as in mentally impaired people are deemed "handicapped."

 

[Aslan]

Re: go back to school, punk. "cant' means

"physically unable". what you MEAN, stupe is "may not", which involves "permission", which is of course COMPLETELY irrelavant.

I see you are having difficulty with something called context.

In the context of you being a convicted felon, you can't (legally) buy any firearm.

The legally is implied because of context.

you like to keep implying that you're out breaking the law and buyimg firearms. We know this isn't the case, as your fear of the law is supposedly what stops you from coming out and facing us.

So, since you're afraid of jail time in one case, we're to beleive you're not afriad of jail time in the other?

I can't wait to hear the logic you use to explain this one away.

:devil:

 

[Garand]

A couple of years back I sold my 1914 manufactured Colt Commercial Model 1911 (Canadian Contract) the belonged to a WW1 Canadian Medical Officer and an original (1 of 5,000) Mills holster for $5,000. Pistol was in 98% condition. Must have spent the war in the officers barrack box.