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mags, 2 lbs scope and mount. u r ALREADY at the 14 lbs of my CAR, can,ammo, .22 unit, scope,mount, 22 and 223 ammo, and you aint GOT a can, or ANY ammo, nor any quiet, efficient foraging ammo, no low cost practice, etc,etc. Use a 9 lb, standard barreled M1A or FAL, put 1.5 lbs of suppressor on it, and you are still out the GI rifle round, concealment, one hand use, return to zero, QD scope base, see thru scope mount, luminous iron sights, etc of the CAR.
 

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So what?

When I'm, fielding with a 7.62, I won't be carrying everything I own on my back. I will be in the hunter/killer mode traveling light and cold at night. Water is the name of the game in my neck of the woods and I will have plenty and the knowledge where to find more.

We will also be mounted and capable of 75 miles a day easily, without being burned out in the effort, more than enough speed and range to deal with someone wandering about the high plains.

You don't seam to understand thier just isn't very many places to hide and covering distance is the name of the game. The places avalible to hide are so obvious that it's a simple matter of deduction to figure out where a theif would be hiding.

If the thief doesn't have good local maps and the ability to use them well, he will soon be out of water. There is no way a backpacker can carry enough water to get to the mountains from our neck of the woods, which would be his only chance. There is also no way he could outrun mounted men on foot.

Stopping to shoot would only give his location away, even with a supressed rifle there is only so many places to shoot from and it will be easy to figure out where he is. With horses you can stay out of effective range of the obvious hiding spots. Since he can only travel so fast those spots will be pretty simple to figure out.

None of the these dynamics are new, this game has already been played and you are not nearly as good at it as the home team was.

Teuf,
 

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Keep up with the "1 trick pony" fantasy, and all it will do is shorten your life expectancy. Skill and knowledge are far more critical than bells and whistles.
 
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The stupe has a bad back. That's why he cries about the weight of the M14. Stupe has ruptured disc. So it's going to the HIM that has the weakness in any SHTF. Others that are healthy will be very well equiped and be easly able to hunt down a stupe that can't run far or carry much nor even know where he is. He will leave sign everywhere and get lost.

The M14 does not weigh that much. Use lightweight web gear, lightweight tools, etc.. to offset the 2 lbs. Practice shooting strait and fast to offset the less ammo. No reason a good M14 or M1A won't fill the bill.

Only stupes 'think' the 11 AR is worth a <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>. Even the Military got away from that pos.
 

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Teufelhund said:
When I'm, fielding with a 7.62, I won't be carrying everything I own on my back. I will be in the hunter/killer mode traveling light and cold at night. Water is the name of the game in my neck of the woods and I will have plenty and the knowledge where to find more.

Yeah, but only someone who's DONE it would know that.
Plus, you have enough brains to be working WITH people, and have a place to go back to, so when you go out to FIGHT, you just bring your FIGHTING gear.

Fighting just about anywhere, the two things that will kill you fastest if you run out are water and ammo.

Problem with backpack survivalism is you not only carry your fighting gear, but you have to carry everything else too. Which means compromises on equipment and quality thereof. So you run aroun with a lot of multi-purpose stuff, that won't last long for the tougher chores, and is just extra weight and bulk to lug around TRYING to ambush people and clear datum before they run you down and skin you.

But Mr. Toe-popper doesn't realize this.
 
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