HOW, a SHORTER barrel than 11", SMALLER case, and LOWER pressures (SAAMI spec, NOT NATO spec's) managed that, when the bozos all CLAIM that an 11" 223 can't SAFELY get 55 grs to 2700 fps, hmm? the answer is, of course, is that those bozos are fos. The shorty 223 can EASILY get 55 grs to 2700 fps, for 900 ft lbs of energy, and with a softpoint, a TREMENDOUS amount of shock and tissue destruction.
10" XP100 is 50 grs, 2600 fps, WONDER
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Ok but let's look at the .223 round itself.
Now lets look at a Lyman Reloading book 46th edition which is what's handy for me.
Using data for 10" and 14" barrels in .223.
First thing noticed is you have a rough average drop of about 275fps when you go from a 14" to a 10" barrel.
Now for 2 educated guesses going on by that info.
1). Referencing a Accurate Arms Powder booklet I found listed a MAX load of 25.5grs of 2230 powder giving 2860 fps out of a 14"bbl. using a 55gr bullet.
Now if you subtract the velocity drop average you get 2585fps.,.
2). Referencing HODGDON reloading booklet in which is a MAX load of 27.5 grs of VARGET powder which gives 2959fps out of a listed 15"bbl again using a 55gr bullet.
Again subtracting the average you get 2684fps.,.
Now some things to consider. The later load is close to GK's claim but what is not known is the ACTUAL performance of the 2 above powders: VARGET and AA-2230 out of a 10-11" bbl.
The data used for averaging the velocity drop was with a lighter bullet using different powders than in the two above loadings. Which means they have DIFFERENT burn rates and MAY give different results in velocity, accuracy and function.
So anyone ever do any real testing using these powders in those barrel lengths? Be interesting to see what actual results are.
Now lets look at a Lyman Reloading book 46th edition which is what's handy for me.
Using data for 10" and 14" barrels in .223.
First thing noticed is you have a rough average drop of about 275fps when you go from a 14" to a 10" barrel.
Now for 2 educated guesses going on by that info.
1). Referencing a Accurate Arms Powder booklet I found listed a MAX load of 25.5grs of 2230 powder giving 2860 fps out of a 14"bbl. using a 55gr bullet.
Now if you subtract the velocity drop average you get 2585fps.,.
2). Referencing HODGDON reloading booklet in which is a MAX load of 27.5 grs of VARGET powder which gives 2959fps out of a listed 15"bbl again using a 55gr bullet.
Again subtracting the average you get 2684fps.,.
Now some things to consider. The later load is close to GK's claim but what is not known is the ACTUAL performance of the 2 above powders: VARGET and AA-2230 out of a 10-11" bbl.
The data used for averaging the velocity drop was with a lighter bullet using different powders than in the two above loadings. Which means they have DIFFERENT burn rates and MAY give different results in velocity, accuracy and function.
So anyone ever do any real testing using these powders in those barrel lengths? Be interesting to see what actual results are.
why don't u pussies just GET somebody's
11.5" barrel ( I never said a WORD about a 10" barrel, <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>) and FIRE some LAKE CITY M855 ammo thru it, hmm? Winchester white box aint even NATO spec, it's SAAMI 223 stuff, and it gets 55 grs to 2600+ fps in an 11.5" barrel. Quit GUESSING, and find out the TRUTH, dumbasses.
11.5" barrel ( I never said a WORD about a 10" barrel, <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>) and FIRE some LAKE CITY M855 ammo thru it, hmm? Winchester white box aint even NATO spec, it's SAAMI 223 stuff, and it gets 55 grs to 2600+ fps in an 11.5" barrel.
Quit GUESSING, and find out the TRUTH, dumbasses.LOOK at YOUR thread title Einstein.
And I wasn't refuting a thing you said I just provived you with 2 examples of how it MIGHT be possible to accomplish what you said with an 11.5" CAR barrel.
All YOU had to do was some SIMPLE math and ADD the velocity increase from an 10" to an 11.5" barrel. The books don't list a 11.5 in their data only 10", 14" and 15".
Since you can't figure it out here it is: 100fps+/- depending on the load and this gives you room to work with.
As I said it's pretty darn close on paper.
But I'm not going to be the buying a 11.5" barrel for any of my AR's just to do testing for you.
I asked if ANYONE ELSE had a set up to do this.
If you want that preformance from level from an AR fine and dandy I don't. I prefer a bit more velocity from a longer barrel.
And I wasn't refuting a thing you said I just provived you with 2 examples of how it MIGHT be possible to accomplish what you said with an 11.5" CAR barrel.
All YOU had to do was some SIMPLE math and ADD the velocity increase from an 10" to an 11.5" barrel. The books don't list a 11.5 in their data only 10", 14" and 15".
Since you can't figure it out here it is: 100fps+/- depending on the load and this gives you room to work with.
As I said it's pretty darn close on paper.
But I'm not going to be the buying a 11.5" barrel for any of my AR's just to do testing for you.
I asked if ANYONE ELSE had a set up to do this.
If you want that preformance from level from an AR fine and dandy I don't. I prefer a bit more velocity from a longer barrel.
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