[andy]

effect, if consider that the 44-40 lfp WASTES 1/3rd+ of its 600 ft lbs on overpenetration, while a good 223 sp uses ALL of its remaining 600 ft lbs at 200m. A good handload, using the 60 gr Hornady VMax will achieve just that. Since the .44 sufficed at bow and arrow ranges, on MUCH tougher men, and since 200m well covers over 95% of the NON-ACCIDENTAL hitting done in combat, and since at longer ranges, such a wound renders the man no longer a threat to you, the 11" 223 has plenty of poop. You just have to load it properly, that's all.

Anyone who'd like to bet a year's pay, that a scoped, 11" 223 wont get over 50% hits on a 12"x24" torso, at 400 yds, I'd like to take you up on it. Over 50% is NOT luck, ya know. So anybody who "thinks" an 11" 223 is nothing but a "glorified pistol" is an ignorant fool. Such a scoped 223 has TWICE the effective range of the typical 30 AK, using typical ball ammo in the AK. Since the same fool "thinks" that the AK has enough range, he's fos about the 11" 223 not having plenty.

 

[Guest]

Guns you can't have, Stupekid. Bullets you can't touch, stupekid. Wet dreams that are fantacy, stupekid. And using a 100 year old cartridge for compairson is about right for Stupekid. 11 CARs for for stupes, and the only one here is Stupekid.

 

[TODD 3465]

You got to understand he has a PHD in Rube Goldberg Comparative Thinking.

 

[andy]

no, stupid. YOU don't even understand

the meaning of BASIC English WORDS. "Can't' means "physically unable to be acheived". What you MEAN, stupes, is "may not", not "permitted". As I have pointed out many times now, not everyone is as big a <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> as you punks are, or as inept, or as stupid.

 

[Guest]

Stupekid 'thinks' he has ability to get guns. But I can get them right now, this minute. Stupekid, even if he has one, has to HIDE it and HOPE he can get it in time. An gun in the and beats a stupekid wet dream any day. H*E*L*L, it bets 100 stupekid wet dreams!

 

[Aslan]

Re: no, stupid. YOU don't even understand

the meaning of BASIC English WORDS. "Can't' means "physically unable to be acheived". What you MEAN, stupes, is "may not", not "permitted". As I have pointed out many times now, not everyone is as big a <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> as you punks are, or as inept, or as stupid.

And you lack the ability to apply context. Words without context are meaningless.

You can't (legally) own any firearms. Legally is implied. Within the CONTEXT of all the discussions, and within the CONTEXT of you being an ADMITTED FELON WHO DOES NOT HAVE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS RESTORED, the statement that you cannot have any firearms is valid.

If you want to argue language and semantics, then you better be prepared to go the whole distance and not just stop where it is convenient for you.

If you want to play these games, then, just like when you try to bs your way through other issues, you will be corrected where you are wrong.

:devil:

 

[mrostov]

Back to the point of the thread, regardless of what technicalities say a person's status is (if ANYONE wants a gun in the USA, they can get one, fact of life)....

Who in their right mind would carry as their primary either the 11"223 or the .44-40 lever?

 

[Guest]

Stupekid isn't in his right mind and that explains it all. Using a short range specialty weapon as you GP long arm is just plain 'stupekidaty'. Notice the Texas Rangers used the .44/40 when it came out, but then dropped it immediatly when the 38-55 came out, and later when the 30/30 came out they dropped the 38-55. Hell, they later went to the Winchester 95 in 30-06 and for short range work the .351 self-loader.

The 11 inch CAR is a specialty weapon. To use it as ones primary rifle is to leave a very large gap on ones abilty to fight. But that's ok for stupekid, he isn't going to live long anyway in any SHTF. He is what they call a target.

 

[Garand]

.44-40 is now a Cowboy Action cartridge, nobody uses it for anything else. Cowboy action has a muzzle velocity rule; it DOES NOT exceed 1,000 fps. So what happens to gunkids wife if gunkid is caught with her guns???

 

[Dorobuta]

what's being neglected in the discussion - at what point in your death is energy wasted? I had this discussion with someone when we were coyote hunting and I was using a .338 - just because I could. My friend laughed and said I'm way over gunned. My reply was simply: at which point in the coyote's death did the round fail?