11" 223 "outreaches' 30-30, when both

are scoped, as far as fighting goes) So much for bs claims about "needing' a long barrel in a 223. millions of guys say 30-30 has plenty of range, and have the trophy mounts, rugs, etc, to prove it, too. Just because YOU are stupid enough to be in the
open, in daylight doesn't make that an intelligent tactic. It just makes you stupid, that's all.