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given mag buckshot, pump action, no ear protection,TYPICAL shotgunner, top man on the CAR-15. a "can" on the 223, along with optical sight. Start the dummy with the shotgun at his dummy port arms carry, start the 223 guy with the far less tiring, faster "low ready" carry, safety engaged, finger outside the guard. The canned CAR is THAT superior, speedwise, if you put a bit of work into mastering it. There isn't any POINT in mastering the shotgun, because what it CAN do is so limited in any practical application.
 

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entire APPEAL of shotgun is MISSING

with what would have been a single projectile, and HOPING that the pattern spread makes -up for your lack of ability. That's why it's such a safe bet that a shotgun fan is a poor shot with a rifle , at speed. :)
 

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why not start both at low ready? Tactical shotguns can be carried that way - I know because I've carried one. Why does it have to be a pump? why not a semi? why no optic for the shotgun?

apples to apples and all that - of course you're using crutches and constraints to shape the argument. But are you comparing weapons or gimmicks vs no gimmicks?

I get it, you can't handle a shotgun - they are loud, scary, and have recoil that is greater than a .22

but in their envelope, a shotgun is a very formidable weapon, wouldn't be my choice for all around use, but I could make it work for me if I had to. You can use slugs, shot of many sizes and types, breeching rounds for busting hinges quickly, Non-lethal rounds if you want, novelty rounds that can start fires, flechettes (reminds me I have a box or two tucked away somewhere now I have to go look), and so forth.

You'd lose the bet about most of the shotgunners I know, at least those using tactical shotguns. Go watch a three gun match sometime. You might want to re-evaluate your thought process Though I know you won't, because you're too closed minded.
 
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