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Discussion starter · #321 ·
Here is picture of a brake on 12ga FH with real hot loaded
hollowbase lead slug, brake needed more clearance
for the expanding slug.




Here is the before and after of 375 HE cases,
2 on left necked, 2 on right formed in hydro die after necking..



Here is pic of 416 HSM second from left we are experimenting
with, going to see if we can make the ultimate 416 ELR case.
Can be 3.60" to 4.00" long, a long one pictured.
Holds over 280 gr ball powder under bullet. In the picture,
1st case is 416 HE, 2nd 416 HSM, 3rd 375 HE, 4th 378 WEA.

416 HSM will get 400gr to 4100 plus without needing BMG action,
470 gr 3800 plus , it may be the ultimate target, singleshot 416..
Case will work in fat bolt actions, with heavy enough barrel
to have good, milder, barrel harmonics and srtill be under 50 lbs.
A lot of the 2 mile type shoots are adopting 50lb limit.



Here is picture of the 416 HSM fireformed once,
next to bmg case we make it from and as we
improve wildcatting process next few weeks
some specs may make small changes, now from
base to shoulder is 3.45", case 3.97" long. Ed..





Manson has 416 HE and 408 HE prints, as well as 375 HE
He can also make you a resize die reamer from that info.
We got 700 cases in 416 and one more pass if 408s wanted, ,
Going to do lot more cases for these 2 sizes also,
Questions, PM or email. ph 989-644-5228..

Here are final specs for 416 HE.
Length 3.32", belt diameter ,655", base dia .635" ,
length base to to shoulder 2.860" , 30 deg shoulder.Ed
 
Discussion starter · #323 ·
Guys asking about strong economical bolt gun to use for 28ga and
410 ga and 32ga with brass cases and higher pressures than plastic cases.
They can use a MN bolt action, here is pic of one with
our 585 case in the action.Guys can get Magtech brass cases or have
RMC make them....Guys can make 32ga case from 500 NE,
410s from 9.3 x 74 brass, etc..



Here is picture of our 416 HSM case sectioned next to original
BMG case on the right sectioned, to show that we still have
enough thickness in the sides to handle high pressure,
in a case with 310 gr capacity..We are getting the wildcatting
work set up so we can do at least hundred a month.
We have lots of 585s, 375HEs, 416 HEs, 408 HEs.....
And working toward getting 416 HSMs in big numbers.



Here's comparison of 416 target cases, 1st 416 HE, have whole bunch.
Second is model of what I'd have made on medium machine, if I could,
the 416 HE Long. It has capacity of 230gr..
Third is our 416 HSM which we are working on making by wildcatting bmg
cases, And if had run long cases, make longer 375 HE necking down 416 ..




Bryan Litz just recently shot 3 shot group at 2 miles using Paul
Phillips heavy barreled, target rifle built by Lethal Precision in
375 Lethal Mag(585HE necked down, very similiar to 375HE )...
It grouped 17.5 inches tall by 22 inches wide.

Applied Ballistics shooter Mitch Fitzpatrick just hit 3 of 5 at 3520 yards,
weekend 10-13th at Valdina Ranch , west of San Antonio.
Also used the 375 LM case similar to our 375 HE
Great shooting at the 2017 World's Longest Shot Challenge. Ed
 
Discussion starter · #324 ·
The 12ga FH case now is in the new COTW book on
last page in the wildcat section, I think page 324.
They gave good credit to Rob for the idea of that case....


The model 416 HE long case in middle, hydro formed one,

has case capacity of 240 gr, and the 416 HSM in picture,

on the right, we fired a case twice, capacity is 320gr.. Ed..




More info out now; short, fat cases sticking, pockets not lasting as expected.
Trying to get best speeds the things raising pressures are bad case
proportions, too sharp of shoulders, too fast of powders...........
and debth of the bullet into the powder space, as shown in the picture below..
My 375, 416, etc testing, bullets loaded like bottom one, in longer freebore....Ed.

 
Hubel458 - good to see you again. 575 grains at 3500 fps is a LOT of energy from that thing. I'm not into heavy stuff anymore, but interesting to see; thanks for the update.
 
...I can see having a silenced .50 bmg upper for the AR, in case there's ever a need to blow up liquid fueled rockets on the launch pad, from a mile away, or blow up fuel dumps, propane tanks and the like.
Nikto / Boati -

Initial questions: since I'm not (and you're not) in the military, unless I'm a terrorist why would you or I be shooting rockets on launch pads? Are we unhappy with Elon Musk or something? Similar with fuel dumps, propane tanks, etc - being a civilian (and hopefully not being a terrorist), when are those things ever going to come up in our world?

Last question is more about gear than motives or strategy. While some people do shoot at extreme long range, I don't; so have no firsthand frame of reference for my last question - if shooting at a target a mile away, what is the advantage of a silencer other than being a good muzzle brake? There may well be one, but not something I'm familiar with.
 
pretty silly, overall

there's no reason at all that you can't get closer, guys. I can see having a silenced .50 bmg upper for the AR, in case there's ever a need to blow up liquid fueled rockets on the launch pad, from a mile away, or blow up fuel dumps, propane tanks and the like. but nothing about the sort of rifle shown here lets you do such things, and you cant just remove an upper, install a silenced 223 upper and leave the area, when you have such a club as your weapon. .50 bmg uppers come in the mail, nobody knows that you have it. pulled incendiary .50bullets can be had, as can reloading gear and components for the .50. AP .50 bullets will pierce lots of stuff that this rifle's normal bullets cannot. 50 bullets (even in ball format) will drop elk at 1000 yds, if you can manage to make such a hit. :)

1 - You are not getting within a mile of a liquid fueled rocket
2 - WTF is wrong with you? Seriously. You are not right in the head.
3 - plenty of calibers will drop an elk at 1k yards, tons of video out there showing it, even by 11 year olds.

Shit like this is why you will never have your rights restored.
 
Quote--drop an elk

Object is to see if we can hit same size target at 2 miles, or more for bragging rights.

And I dont promote shooting elk at 2 miles...or even a mile either..Ed
Neither do I, but people have and continue to do so at 900 yds plus.

I'd rather bow hunt elk, but when I do use a rifle, I'm usually looking for 400 yards or less.

It's just that Nikto / Boati / Andy / whomever posts some rather dumb stuff from time to time, and some of it is either weird or disturbing...
 
And this is a great example of why the place is just above a ghost town. Melvin cuts into a perfectly intelligent and informative post with off topic and often psychotic ideas which no sane person wants to see unrefuted.
Then things get derailed.
 
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