caliber carbines, iron sighted sks's, AK's, 45-70, 30-30, etc have PLENTY of range, and a scoped 11" CAR15 has TWICE the effective range of ANY of those guns. So you "long range" bozos have a LOT of convincing to do, of lots of guys, MANY of whom have seen MUCH more combat than you've ever DREAMED of. 
