[andy]

thats how many the lower 48 states could support by foraging, by those who knew HOW. So yes, shtf IS going to mean 250 million deaths in the US. Within a year. It's going to mean 25 millioln deaths in ONE MONTH. The power goes off, no fuel to move people or goods, UTTERLY dependent upon refrigerated meds, breathing machines, kidney dialysis, insulin-needing med care elderly and infants are going to perish, within a few weeks, man. no lights so surgeons can see what they are doing. No ultraviolet lights to help keep down infection. No fuel for running autoclaves or boiling surgical instruemnts, etc. No forumla for infants to drink. mothers who are bottle feeding have already had their milk "dry up".

 

[Aslan]

You're making a lot of assumptions and leaving out a whole bunch of data.

for instance:

level of medical knowledge
level of industrialization - what tools did they have at their disposal?
something as simple as the availability of lightweight insulated gear would have made a huge difference to these people
weapontry. They didn't have modern weapons

etc etc.

Now, I guess wood can't be burnt to provide fuel to boil water.
And daylight doesn't allow people to see
And no one knows how to make alcohol, to use as fuel
And...and... and.

Andy seems to think that shtf, all knowledge will vanish, all food stuff will vanish, etc.

But his crystal ball operates a little differently than most people's.

:devil:

 

[Wylycoyte]

Not to mention things like the shelf-stable insulin that's now available...

There aren't many scenarios that I can forsee that would lead to a SHTF cataclysm of the nature that is spoken of here. Barring an enormous asteroid slamming into the earth or similar event that somehow disrupts the entire globe, events would seem to be limited in size, scope and duration.

 

[andy]

wanna BET? 50 mercenaries, paid $1 mill $ each, could WRECK this economy in a month or 2.

 

[andy]

no money with which to PAY for it, no oil, power, or services of any type at all. If the stock market crashed, foreign investors would pull out of the US dollar, and the US is so FAR in debt that if foreign investors pull out, the $ will be ass wipe.

 

[Aslan]

even with a total economic collapse (which would simply be replaced by something else)

things would not go the way you describe.

Plus, your scenario on the mercs would fail for a number of reasons.

:devil:

 

[Garand]

Now lets not ruin a good fantasy, by using hard, cold facts!