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24" 223 is NO LONGER or heavier than 308 auto rifle, and with 80 gr vld's, still has 500 ft lbs left at 700 yds. With 75 gr vmax sp's, it's still got 500 ft lbs left at 500 yds, still has 1800 fps, still EXANDS that sp. So you get hit like you would at 10 ft, from a 4" 357, using 125 gr jhp's. In other words, you are DONE being a threat to anyone who is 500 yds from you and is just openly, head on prone towards you. You are done being a threat to anyone who is using cover at a mere 200 yds from you, because, your blood pressure dropping like a rock, you can't FOCUS enough to hit such targets, before you DIE.
 

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Okay good. The 20" AR is an effective weapon with the right ammo. Depending on the conditions in my AO, I wouldn't hesitate to carry one though I still prefer the 308. What you said about the 20 incher DOES not apply to the shorty CAR though.

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Great if you want to go into combat with a single shot rifle! I'll stay with the reliability of a 7.62mm NATO rifle though.
 

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80gr VLD is a single load round only.

It does not work at mag or cut out mag length.

75gr vmax sp doesn't exist, there's no such thing.
 
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