[andy]

makes the .44 revolver look sick by comparison, powerwise. Not only that, but you can hit twice as fast with a 20 ga auto as you can with a .44 revolver,and the .63" diameter of the 20 ga slug has twice the frontal area, too. NOBODY considers the 20 ga to be a bear stopper. In fact, most don't even consider it to be much of a small deer load. .44 is a joke as a bear stopper. You have to hit the bear in the BRAIN with it, just like you'd have to do with a 9mm. So why bother to even own one of the pos's? A good .45 or 9mm is at LEAST as good a 'bear stopper" (if you load it right) and it's many times a better man-defense,and even in "bear country' men are the more common, and the more deadly threat. The .44 is just a waste of time and money you SHOULD be spending on your ccw pistol.

 

[.45 COLT]

Your premise might have some validity, but you would make a lot more sense if you got your facts right instead of dreaming up figures. The 20 gauge has a .55" bore, so a .63" slug might give you a touch of trouble.

There are 3 "standard" factory slug loads for the 20. A 273 grain slug @1580 FPS (1513 FtLb), a 218 grain slug @1800 FPS (1568 FtLb) and a 437 grain slug @1500 FPS (2185 FtLb).

DC

 

[SatCong]

45 Colt,
Thanks for the reality check on those specs. Many of Andy's posts would be interesting if they weren't mostly fiction. This thread exchange is a great example of why I tend to, even though interested in the subjuct, disregard his posts on technical information, his info is sometimes dated or riddled with inaccuracy. That calls into question his credibility on anything he might post.
SatCong

 

[41mag]

My take is a little different.I'd much rather shoot a bear w/a 44 loaded w/300grn HARD CAST bullets that will penetrate & break bones.As opposed to a factory lead-so-soft-that-you-can-write-with-it slug(I have.I used to keep one stuck to the end of my pen.Worked crappy as a pencil-but it worked)that could just splash on the shoulder/skulls surface & do nothing but wound the bear.

Use the right tool for the job.

Oh,BTW,how would you go about CCWing a 20 ga auto?

 

[Garand]

Why bother having to buy another caliber? I already have 3x .44 Magnums! Marksmanship is what is important, not wonder bullets! I agree with .41 mag, Laser Cast produces some excellent cast 300 grain bullets. Give them a try. As for shotguns I already have a few 12's. 12 gauge is also cheaper and more widely available. Gunkid, remember IPSC is not reality, you can't dictate the circumstances that you could find yourself if the balloon ever goes up.

 

[Magnum88C]

Well, as I said in one of the other thread (which are really this one) splashed all over, the .44 outpenetrates the 20 gauge. Anyone in the know that carries a .44 in big bear country knows to load it with heavy hardcast bullets (I like LBTs myself, but the Laser cast, Oregon Trail right?, are a lot cheaper). Plus, the .44 revolver is, well, a handgun. If you want to talk long guns, the .45-70 is the current top choice, with other big bores following closely.

 

[andy]

the same way you do a .44. You pull it behind you in a little kid's wagon, with a cute little conestoga tent over it.

 

[andy]

u wanna know what the "reality check" is on factory 240 gr jhp's out of a 4" .44mag? Most of them can't average over 1250 fps, using all 6 chambers. That's a whoopee 830 lousy ft lbs. If u use special crap in a .44, the repeat hit speed gets LOTS worse, and one can always use a 3" mag 20 ga slug, making your silly 44 look a LOT worse, <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>.

 

[Garand]

Accuracy and bullet placement is far more important than your silly numbers gunkid. Those numbers really don't prove anything anyways. They are produced under optimum conditions, field conditions are rarely optimum! I do research for a living thats lesson #1 that you learn.

 

[41mag]

the same way you do a .44. You pull it behind you in a little kid's wagon, with a cute little conestoga tent over it.

LMAO!!!!!Thanks Andy!

 

[Garand]

I love the ingenuity that you see at CAS matches when it come to cerrying your kit for the day.

 

[Magnum88C]

LOL, that's a kick-butt design. I love to see people's homemade ideas.

 

[Magnum88C]

the same way you do a .44. You pull it behind you in a little kid's wagon, with a cute little conestoga tent over it.

Now that's kinda cute. Did your wife get you the wagon? Do ya dress up like a cowboy when walking around town with it? Now who woulda thought that GK would have something as cool as one of them little red wagons?