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charge .45 ammo. you clowns with your N frame 357's are WAY behind the curve. That was on modern electronic shooting timers, PROVEN MANY TIMES, then and since, by quite a few 1911 users. NOT some uprovable bs claim, back in 1930's :) Ammo performance CHECKABLE on a pendulum or the chronograph, weighing the bullets. FACT is,N frame 357is TWICE as slow for repeat hits as one needs to be with a pistol that's smaller, thinner, lighter,and hits every bit as hard as does the 357.
 

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WOW, Enos from the Dukes of Hazard could shoot pretty good, couldn't he? I hear Roscoe got his splits down to about .15 seconds with his .357 though, guess that's why he was the sheriff, and Enos was only the deputy.

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"FACT is,N frame 357is TWICE as slow for repeat hits"

Nonsense! In November 1947 FBI agent D A Bryce drew and fired six shots with A S&W N FRAME .347 MAGNUM USING .357 AMMUNITION ABD TIMED BYHIGH SPEED ELECTRONIC FLASH PHOTOGRAPY. Do the math. That's .13 second "sp;its" and he shot equally well in real gunfights.
 

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The High Speed Electronic Flash Photography was quite accurate back then - just extremely bulky, more of a laboratory thing.

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Todd, gunkid is the 'turdd that wouldn't flush', so to speak. Actually he would flush, but he leaves a ring around the bowl.
 

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no, clown, what we 'have' on Bryce is some CLAIMS, not many times repeated actual ELECTRONIC TIMINGS, and SCORES of guys deliver such split times with 1911's. NOBODY is delivering even .20 second splits with N frame revolvers and full charge 357 ammo, clown. NOBODY, not even Miculek, who gets FREE guns and ammo, and gets PAID to do nothing but shoot.
 

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no, clown, what we 'have' on Bryce is some CLAIMS, not many times repeated actual ELECTRONIC TIMINGS, and SCORES of guys deliver such split times with 1911's. NOBODY is delivering even .20 second splits with N frame revolvers and full charge 357 ammo, clown. NOBODY, not even Miculek, who gets FREE guns and ammo, and gets PAID to do nothing but shoot.
Mighty brave words from someone who wasn't there to witness it and who can't handle a N frame. Your jealousy is showing.

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There's FAR mroe evidence that he did what he did than ANY of GoonKid's claims (namely no proof at all, and everyone he name drops says he can't hit a damn thing).
 

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"NOBODY, not even Miculek, who gets FREE guns and ammo, and gets PAID to do nothing but shoot."

SHOW us how you know this. Posst a link.
 

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erika/gunkid can you post the source for that statement?
 

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You "know" so many thingd that just aren't true.
 

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Enos from the Dukes of Hazard could shoot pretty good,
Yes, but was he as good as Brian Enos? Brian Enos is the most respected authority on the planet when it comes to the visual, mental, and biomechanical aspects of shooting fast and accurately . Brian shot a lot of IPSC. Brian was up and coming when andy was shooting. Brian finished second to his long time friend Rob Leatham twice at the USPSA Nationals, and he finished second to Robbie twice at the Steel Challenge. He won the Bianchi Cup twice, he is a Masters Champion and a certified Combat Master. He is also one of the finest human beings you will ever meet. As for Brian's .12 splits, sure thing, not a problem. The guy could routinely do a Bill Drill, that's draw from surrender and fire 6 rounds into the A box at 7 yards in 1.6 seconds. That's an average of .13-.14 splits so you know a lot of them were .11-.12.

As for revolver shooters, I know something about revolvers. A quick trip to the USPSA Top 20 Web site shows Jerry Miculek as the top revolver shooter. He is just so far ahead of the rest of us. Jack Graham is number 2, Rudy Waldinger is 3, Richard Bitow is 4 and I am number 5. I don't shoot revolver competitively because my reloads suck and I am not very good on the long field courses. I don't belong in the same class with those guys. However, on speed shoots I do very well and I have the highest revolver hit factor on a couple of classifiers. At my peak, my splits with a 610 revolver in a match were running .20-.23 although I have shot splits of .18 seconds. I did so well because my transitions between targets were often times the same as my split. IDPA revolver guru Bill Nesbitt runs about .20 splits when he is cranking it on. The real split monsters in IPSC will run .18-.20 when they are on fire.

In his exhibition shoots, Jerry Miculek routinely runs splits with a snubby in the range of .1475 (averaged). When he set his 8 shot world record with the 627 V-comp his average was .1428. However, he does routinely get splits below .14, that's how you get a .14 average. :)

The claims made by old timers like Ed McGivern and the like are very suspect because of the timing devices in use at the time. No one who is serious about revolver shooting really believes Ed was cranking off .09 splits with a .38-.44 N-frame Smith. It's just too unbelievable. The argument that a revolver can be shot faster than a semi-auto because the mechanical limitations of a slide cycle are absent is true in theory. Unfortunately, as far as we know, no one has been able to demonstrate that advantage.
 

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Yes, but was he as good as Brian Enos?
Doesn't matter, that's not who GoonKid was talking about. You should know by now he always uses the person's first name to make it look like he knows them well, and that that person might even talk to him. Since he started the thread "20+ years ago, Enos got. . ." he must be talking about someone who's first name is Enos.

Mmmmm, Goonkid knowledge at it's best. :dgrin:

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Oh don't get me wrong, andy's still full of crap, lol. I am just babbling about Brian Enos and some of the revolver shooters I have knowledge about. Unlike andy, I can call Brian on the phone and pick his brain. The only thing andy got right was Brian shooting .12 splits.

Take andy's remark about no one getting .20 spilts with an N-frame and full boat .357 loads. I can think of two people right now who can do that. Bud Bond and Rudy Waldinger.
 

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You guys can't believe who is posting on Brian's Website. All of you are welcome. The site it geared to competion only and it's a no nonsense place. The moderators keep a pretty tidy house. There is a thread over there about revolver splits and one of the current European hot shot wheelgunners is a regular contributor. His username is Spook. One of the top five USPSA wheelgunners (he is forming the team for the World Shoot) also contributes. His name is Patrick Sweeny.

There are also threads about semi-auto splits with contributions from at least 5-6 of the top 10 USPSA Limited and Open shooters. When you are discussing shooting on Brian's forum you get input from beginners all the way through National Champions. It's kind of cool, but once again, it's competition only.
 

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Ankeny said:
One of the top five USPSA wheelgunners (he is forming the team for the World Shoot) also contributes. His name is Patrick Sweeny.
Is this the Patrick Sweeney of gunsmith fame?

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they have a zen forum

interesting
 
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