[RIKA]

I wasn't going to mention it because its not a big deal but I got a Ciener 22 conversion kit Monday and tried it out yesterday. Went to clean it today and am having a problem. How do you clean the little adapter's bore? My 22 cleaning rod with patch won't fit inside.

I know that GK will have a ball making fun of me but I don't care. I really like the little unit; its very accurate and fired 200+ rds without a single jam. Impressive.

Thanks for your help and any other tips.

RIKA (the embarrassed)

 

[andy]

solvent and q tip is all I've ever used on it. Never noted any real degree of fouling in that area.

 

[RIKA]

Darn it Andy. You keep helping me although you hate me. I don't understand it. Don't you understand that I don't hate you - I hate your arrogance and the way you treat people. Lighten up and we can all get along. That would be good.

Thanks

RIKA

 

[andy]

I dont hate you, I just think that you are stupid to get all bent out of shape because I called a <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font> a <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>.

 

[Glenn Bartley]

typical...

 

[Garand]

Gunkid, some people find that word insulting! Can you understand that?

 

[mrostov]

Rika, if it's a Ceiner, it field strips easily. A cleaning rod patch tip fits in there no problem.

 

[RIKA]

Rika, if it's a Ceiner, it field strips easily. A cleaning rod patch tip fits in there no problem.

Mike, its a Ceiner. How do I field strip it? It didn't come with any instructions.

Thanks

RIKA

 

[mrostov]

The frame rail ends just clip onto the breach block section of the chamber adapter piece. Hold the bolt back, gently spead the rail ends a tad, then work the chamber adapter piece off of the ends of the frame rails. Rather simple when you get the hang of it and it can be done in seconds.

 

[RIKA]

Thanks Mike.

RIKA

 

[John in AR]

The frame rail ends just clip onto the breach block section of the chamber adapter piece. Hold the bolt back, gently spead the rail ends a tad, then work the chamber adapter piece off of the ends of the frame rails. Rather simple when you get the hang of it and it can be done in seconds.

Mike's exactly right. I cleaned mine the hard way three or four times before I figured that out. :dunce:

It makes cleaning the rails a lot easier as well.

 

[andy]

such cleaning is only necessary once every seveal thousand rds. I always just put another shot or 2 of WD-40 into it, and kept on shooting. I did, however, nearly always fire a few 223 rds every few hundred 22 rds.

 

[Glenn Bartley]

EGADS man - you use WD-40 on your firearms or any of their components! WD-40 is, in y opinion, and in the opinion of almost all of firearms oriented people I have ever spoken to, one of the worst lubricants you can use on firearms.

 

[mrostov]

After having shot thousands of rounds out of different AR's with a Ciener, I've found that the Ciener should be brushed or wiped down every couple of hundred rounds for best performance. It gets pretty dirty and fouled. Mainly toothbrush the boltface, the feedramp, and the breachface.

As for barrel leading, that is pretty much a non-issue if you stick to copper plated bullets. The ammo my Ciener likes the best is Federal 36gr high velocity hollowpoint, the bulk pack stuff at Walmart that's $9 per 550 rounds loose pack box.

 

[John in AR]

I prefer copper-plated also; unfortunately, I've yet to find a copper-plated subsonic. So my Ciener/AR gets a lot of waxed-lead .22LR ammo thru it.

With a suppressor, the difference I've found with supersonic ("normal") and subsonic 22LR ammo is that with the normal ammo, even with the sonic crack you can't tell where the shot came from, since the sound seems to 'originate' at the impact point. With the subsonic, you can't tell that there WAS a shot at all.

 

[andy]

subsonic isn't necessary except for fighing and shtf foraging. So why bother with it, hmm?

W-40 works FINE for the "practice" guns. For actual fighting guns, Best deal is car paste wax on the exterior, lockease for the working parts, and very little of the latter. The practice guns get shot often enough to make a shot of WD-40 happen quite often (at the beginning of each range session). The fact that WD "dries off" after sitting around for many weeks is thus irrelevant. NO oil is worth a crap for ccw gun, or rifle carried constantly in the bush,really. It holds crud in the working parts, drips off, stains clothing,etc. The fact that a bunch of LIARS and ignoramuses say differently doesn't change the FACTS. ANYONE can check out anything I say. I've never been proven wrong about ANYTHING I've posted about guns, in 4 years of 20+ posts a day.

 

[Garand]

Only in your mind , have you never been proven wrong. The rest of us know the truth!!!

 

[John in AR]

subsonic isn't necessary except for fighing and shtf foraging. So why bother with it, hmm?

So as not to disturb the neighbors or their animals. A supersonic .22 in a suppressor is almost indistiguishable (as far as sound is concerned) from the same .22 without a suppressor; the sonic crack is that big a part of a .22's noise.

That's why I said, "With a suppressor, the difference I've found with supersonic ("normal") and subsonic 22LR ammo is that with the normal ammo, even with the sonic crack you can't tell where the shot came from, since the sound seems to 'originate' at the impact point. With the subsonic, you can't tell that there WAS a shot at all."

Supersonics in a can disguise where the shot came from, but they still sound like nothing other than a gunshot. Subsonics are quieter than my pellet rifle. Big difference.