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30C ball wasted 1/3rd or more of its power on overpenetration, no real disruption of tissue, etc. 223 SP's have 1200+ ft lbs, use it ALL in the man, and have MASSIVE tissue disruption, FAR beyond what damage is done directly by the bullet, and the bullet causes LOTS more direct damage than 30C ball ever did.
 

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All that power does no good if you flinch and miss andy or if you have to make that 50yd hit using your bipod. You need extensive shooters training.

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you need to learn about REALITY, cunt. LOTS of missing is done in combat, LOTS closer than 50 yds, and I never said a damned thing about using the bipod at 50m, unless it's on cover using heads, and EVERYBODY flinches in combat. They just get LUCKY and hit now and then, that's all. Flinching and being chickenshit is why it's 50,000 rds of rifle ammo per kill for military troops.
 

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you need to learn about REALITY, cunt. LOTS of missing is done in combat, LOTS closer than 50 yds, and I never said a damned thing about using the bipod at 50m, unless it's on cover using heads, and EVERYBODY flinches in combat. They just get LUCKY and hit now and then, that's all. Flinching and being chickenshit is why it's 50,000 rds of rifle ammo per kill for military troops.
Everybody flinches in combat?

what proof do you have, or is this your opinion?

If everybody flinches in combat, how do you account for long range single shot kills?

You are the one with no basis in reality. YOU have ADMITTED to a HUGE FLINCHING PROBLEM, now you're trying to foist it on everyone else.

That 50k number is bogus for many reasons, including suppressive fire, minigun fire and others. You just want it to be because of being chickenshit - that way you can feel good about yourself.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

I guess the "cunt" knows more than you do. (appologies to Rika - I hate that word)

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.30 Carbine Bullet Wt. Grs.110 FMJ muzzle velocity 1,992 muzzle energy 965 ft.lbs. The .223 generally splinters on impact, allowing almost no excess penetration that could possibly hit innocents, such as hostages. But with this fragmentation and lack of penetration comes a necessity for more precise shot placement, leaving almost no room for error. The .223 has a small temporary wound channel (Stretch cavity), requiring almost a direct hit on the spinal stem in order to get "lights out" on a target. The lighter .223 bullet, with its low ballistic coeffecient, is very susceptible to the effects of wind, which really limits its long range potential. Due to the lack of penetration and lack of energy, the .223 should only be used in very rare circumstances and only on head shots. There is more then one instance when a target has been shot with a perfectly placed center mass shot, and it failed to incapacitate the target. The very heavy .223 bullets (75gr +) are becoming more popular in long range shooting, but the special barrels and rifles required to shoot these high BC bullets are not available as standard sniper rifles to everyday snipers.

Note: In order to stabilize the 69-gr. Bullets and heavier, the twist on the rifle barrel needs to be at least 1:8"

Recommendation: only use the .223 within 100 meters and only take head shots if at all possible. If the .223 is all that your unit has in the way of a sniper rifle, be sure to keep in mind the limitations of the round.
Info from Sniper Central.

You need to apologize to her for calling her that.
 

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andy said:
you need to learn about REALITY, cunt. LOTS of missing is done in combat, LOTS closer than 50 yds, and I never said a damned thing about using the bipod at 50m, unless it's on cover using heads, and EVERYBODY flinches in combat. They just get LUCKY and hit now and then, that's all. Flinching and being chickenshit is why it's 50,000 rds of rifle ammo per kill for military troops.
Oh? When and where were you ever in combat and "learned" all this nonsense?
 
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