so at that range, it is STILL hitting harder than .45 ball does at 10 ft. In fact, from a 3.5" compact .45, with some versions of ball ammo, the 223 vld is still hitting at least as hard as the .45 does at 10 ft, at 800yds.
That is, 300 ft lbs.
Where would you rather have to wait 30 seconds for a chest hit to bleed the guy out, at half a mile, where he was no threat to you BEFORE he was wounded, or at axe swiinging ranges, hmm? This is not to argue for the 223 as a "half mile" gun, but to show you how FOOLISH it is to expect .45 ball to be such a wonderful "manstopper". It aint. It won't reliably stop a chuck, **** or jackrabbit. Just go shoot 4-5 of such critters with it, you'll prove me correct. You might down 1-2 of them with the shot, just like you might do with a CCI Stinger hp, from a .22 rifle. Dont expect more, because you'll be just as shocked as I was to find this out, (35 years ago).
About the only ammo in .45 acp that amounts to a hoot is the 185 gr PLus P jhp, which is uncontrolable in an alloy compact ccw gun, or the 160 gr CorBon Powerball. The 165 gr Federal is wussy loaded, at 1000 fps. If it was 1200 fps,like the CorBon load, it would be a pretty serious contender. The 230 gr jhp's don't expand well, if at all, in flesh. Animal tests prove this. I'll bet BIG money against Gold Dots, etc, fired from 4" and less barrels, expanding to more than a lousy .60 calibler in animals, where a shirt and jacket are put into the bullet's path (as they always are when you have to shoot a man).
Where would you rather have to wait 30 seconds for a chest hit to bleed the guy out, at half a mile, where he was no threat to you BEFORE he was wounded, or at axe swiinging ranges, hmm? This is not to argue for the 223 as a "half mile" gun, but to show you how FOOLISH it is to expect .45 ball to be such a wonderful "manstopper". It aint. It won't reliably stop a chuck, **** or jackrabbit. Just go shoot 4-5 of such critters with it, you'll prove me correct. You might down 1-2 of them with the shot, just like you might do with a CCI Stinger hp, from a .22 rifle. Dont expect more, because you'll be just as shocked as I was to find this out, (35 years ago).