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shots fired. The deadliness of the man just overwhelmed his opposition. Missing a lot is not the answer. Which is nice,since you can't CARRY a lot of ammo, and mobility is the key to survival. You aint GOT, and won't HAVE the 20+ adults necessary to "man" even a small fort, much less run patrols, put out booby traps, etc. That's if NO elderly, sick, or underage kids are taking adults from your work pool, and you aint GOT the fort, so you'd have to BUILD it, while being sniped-at. So staying in place is not really an option. The pine forests will BURN if shtf, and so will the towns and cities. Why you THINK they have a fire-dept, hmm? If many get burning, no water to put them out, MOST will burn.
 

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bolt action 06 and 1911 (supposedly)

but he was only AGAINST silly bolt actions, and he had a lot of advantages. He had German POW'S, and the other germans knew it, so they didn't want to shoot at him (from some angles, at least. That's why they tried that silly bayonet charge, from 25 yds away. They had to fight uphill, mud, and brush, so the charge of 15 yds (he killed the last one at 10 yds) took 6 seconds, instead of the 4 seconds it would have taken, on flat, solid, open ground. That gave York time to draw his pistol and shoot all 6, last one in line being the target each time.

Against autorifles, he'd never have had a chance, using a stupid bolt action. You guys need to come into the 21st century.
 

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never said it wasn't LETHAL, stupe.

.22's KILL more than any other caliber, and more than nearly all other handgun calibers combined. STOPPING men, however is a different story. York said that the 6 men lay on the ground "squealing just like pigs". So he basically got pretty lucky that none of the 6 fired their bolt actions, AFTER taking a .45 ball hit.
 

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First it's his deadliness, now he's lucky.

You just don't know which way to point your pecker now do you?

I'd bet your quote from York is wrong or nonexistent.
 

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andy (GK) I would say he did pretty dang good. It seemed to be an even match as far as weapons go. He had a bolt they had bolt. he had a .45 they had lugers. I am sure you would have taken them all out with one sweep of your suppressed .22 AR
 

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"but he was only AGAINST silly bolt actions"

No, he was against 8 belt fed 7.92X5mn machine guns and he still one with his .30-06 Model 1917 BOLT ACTION rifle.
 

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shots fired. The deadliness of the man just overwhelmed his opposition.[hic] Missing a lot is not the answer[stumble]. Which is nice,since you can't CARRY a lot of ammo,[puke on shoes] and mobility is the key to survival.[blow snot from left nostil] You aint GOT, and won't HAVE the 20+ adults necessary to "man" even a small fort, much less run patrols[fart], put out booby traps, etc.[whoooops] That's if NO elderly, sick, or underage kids are taking adults from your work pool, and you aint GOT the fort, so you'd have to BUILD it, while being sniped-at.[slinging a burrito shit run off his hand] So staying in place is not really an option. The pine forests will BURN if shtf, and so will the towns and cities. Why you THINK they have a fire-dept, hmm?[belch/shit/ blow both nostrals/say mutha' fuca'] If many get burning, no water to put them out, MOST will burn.
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Born Alvin Cullium York, December 13, 1887, in Pall Mall, Tennessee.
His life was turned around by a woman, Gracie Williams, who convinced him to give up his worldly ways and go to church. Formed long held and firm religious beliefs as a result.
Drafted in 1917.
Impressed the regular army officers with his ability to use a gun. Shot accurately at ranges of 200, 300 and 500 yards. Struggled with the moral issue of killing human beings, and refused to shoot at human silhouettes (targets).
At the battle of the Argonne Forest in the fall of 1918, as a member of the 82nd division, he killed 25 Germans, knocked out 35 machine guns, and captured 132 prisoners almost single-handed.
Recieved the French Medaille Militaire and Croix de Guerre, the Italian Groce de Guerra and the American Medal of Honor.
Came home to the adulation of the American people, married Gracie Williams, and died in Nashville, Tenn. on September 2, 1964 after having a cerebral hemorrage.

http://www.worldwar1.com/biocyrk.htm

Sgt. Alvin York

On the morning of 8 October 1918, elements of the 328th Infantry, 82nd Division, United States Army, were pinned down by German machine-gun fire. Seventeen men, under the command of Sgt. Bernard Early, were ordered to out-flank the machine guns.

Shortly after they left their own lines, they came across a German officer and several soldiers having breakfast. Believing that they were surrounded, the Germans surrendered. However, before Early could detach a man to take the prisoners back through the lines, intensive machine gun fire swept the patrol. Eight American soldiers survived. Sgt. Early was killed. As the remaining non-com, Cpl. Alvin York took command of the patrol. While the remaining Americans covered their prisoners, trying at the same time to avoid enemy fire, York spotted the location of the German guns, about 30 yards away. In addition to his Enfield M1917 rifle, he also carried a Colt .45 automatic pistol. The German gunners peeked over the tops of their Maxim guns to avoid hitting their own men.

With the appearance of each face, framed in its "coal-scuttle" helmet, York's Enfield spoke. One shot equaled one dead gunner. York was from the Tennessee mountains where firearms were used to put food on the table. Mountain folk were frugal, making each shot count.

Unnoticed by York, several Germans moved forward, locating York's position. Out of sight, they counted the shots from York's rifle, establishing the pattern of his shooting. They counted a series of 5 shots from his Enfield and rushed York to gain the advantage of the few extra seconds it took to reload the rifle.

As the Germans charged, they came into easy pistol range. York brought the .45 automatic into action, stopping the patrol in its tracks. He continued shooting and advancing, killing a total of 25 German soldiers and capturing 132 by himself. York was promoted to Sergeant and awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.

http://www.sightm1911.com/1911 Myth.htm#Sgt. Alvin York


In conclusion, if I read this correctly, all I need is a .30-06 and a Colt .45 and I'm ready. Well I'm ready!!!!!!
 
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