308 has 2x the power of 6" .44, every animal

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andy

Discussion Starter · Aug 13, 2004

that walks has fallen to chest hits from the .44, and from similar "powered" muzzleloaders. With the 3-4 hits per second possible with the canned BAR, alloy framed, 308, why bother with slowassed bolt action, when you are talking EITHER hunting or defense against big animals, hmm? If you "telescope" about 8" of the 308 can back around the barrel, and don't really care about max quietness, another 6" of can, past the muzzle of the 20" barrel, can do a lot for you. The OAL and wt will still be less than that of a 26" barreled 12 ga pump or autoloader, which many consider to be "fast handling', and lw enough to carry afield all day, in search of upland birds.

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andy

Discussion Starter · #2 · Aug 13, 2004

with this sort of speed of hitting, the hunter is not outclassed if he has to "turn" a charge by severalcritters, OR deal with AK armed poachers, or any other sort of human challenge(as he IS outclassed, having nothing more than a bolt action). A 10 rd mag, and swift changes of such, certainly suffices for any realistically survivable scenario.

Just how much PRACTICE at getting hits on the 6" brain circle of a charging elephant, bear, etc, does anyone GET with ammo that costs several dollars per shot, hmm? At 15c per shot, for 308 milsurp, you can practice such shots a LOT, and the can will help you hit it, (a LOT). It DOES, however, require a low powered scope,somethinglike a 1.5x.4.5x variable, with either a post reticle or heavy xhairs. The 2" OD of the 308 can means you can't see above the can with the iron sights. You CAN, of course,paint the rear end of the can white, and just keep both eyes open. One eye will see the target,the other eye sees the sights, and the brain will automatically superimpose those two images.So you CAN "see" the sights on the target.

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RIKA

· #3 · Aug 13, 2004

It is illegal to hunt with a suppressor in most states. It is doubly illegal to hunt game in Africa with a semi-auto and a suppressor. You need to do your homework before bleating this drivel as if it was fact. Lesson over. Go wash your hands and face; its time for milk and cookies.

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Glenn Bartley

· #4 · Aug 13, 2004

or any other sort of human challenge(as he IS outclassed, having nothing more than a bolt action).

Why not go to the grave site of Lee Harvey Oswald and explain this to him, and while you are at it why not visit the grave of JFK and tell him he should not be dead because of the inefficiency of a bolt action rifle in a quick fire multiple hit situation. Why not explain this to any soldier who has used a bolt action rifle successfully against those armed with semi-autos. The guy with the bolt action usually takes somewhat better aim. Sure I would rather have a semi auto, or maybe even a full auto (three round burst would be ok) for most man stopper situations I am likely to encounter, but do not discount the bolt action simply due to your know it all attitude, it has worked wonderfully in the hands of competent shootists.

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andy

Discussion Starter · #5 · Aug 14, 2004

yeah, IF you are talking shooting at unaware, unarmed targets. However, stupid, THAT is no challenge at all. Only a pos like you would think otherwise.

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Glenn Bartley

· #6 · Aug 14, 2004

Wussy the whole point of the JFK thing was a moving target at distance and multiple shots fired with a bolt action rifle in very little time. Didn't you know that about the JFK assasination or are you a bit off on your history of such things. And speaking of true pos (only a little marble at that), did you miss this part of my previous post:

Why not explain this to any soldier who has used a bolt action rifle successfully against those armed with semi-autos.

Does that imply unarmed or unaware to you? Wake up please and read with comprehension what others write, then try to answer with just a bit of thinking beforehand. Stop trying to be the big bully here, because all you really look like to me is a piss-mire ant.

When you get decent in your posts maybe someone like mommy or daddy will actually believe you when you try to show them you have accomplished something in your life other than acting like an a-hole. Why not give it a try, or are you too little to do it?

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andy

Discussion Starter · #7 · Aug 17, 2004

I repeat, u r a pos, because you "think" the way that you do. A CHALLENGE, you pos, is a FIGHT, not picking off unarmed noncombatants.

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Aslan

· #8 · Aug 17, 2004

wow, I wonder what that makes you for the way that you think (or don't)?

You have no clue, but hurl insults. The JFK thing would be a challenge for you, because you can't hit moving targets - remember all of your posts about how it is impossible to do so?

Don't forget to insult me after reading this...

:devil:

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Garand

· #9 · Aug 17, 2004

And what would you know about fighting? In moments of stress you cry and drop your drawers!

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Glenn Bartley

· #10 · Aug 21, 2004

I repeat, u r a pos, because you "think" the way that you do. A CHALLENGE, you pos, is a FIGHT

The challenge in the Kennedy assasination was the ra[idity of the shots fired with a crappy Carcano (spelling?) bolt action rifle, from distance and elevation, at a moving target and hitting that target multiple times when that target was surrounded by body guards and associates. That is what is called a marksmanship challenge, albeit an unworthy one. It was certainly greater, in my estimation, than any challenge you have faced punching holes in paper. My sympathies to you if you possibly have such an enormous ego as to not be able to understand what the word challenge encompasses, and to be able only to see a challenge as a combat issue between two parties face to face. There are many challenges in life - not all are combatant, and in some of them only one party realizes what is happening, and oft times they are less than honorable - yet they remain challenges. It really seems sad how you have to try to turn many posts around, or how you get personal or how you get nasty. Being nice therefore would be a challenge for you.

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Dorobuta

· #11 · Feb 27, 2021

andy said:
with this sort of speed of hitting, the hunter is not outclassed if he has to "turn" a charge by severalcritters, OR deal with AK armed poachers, or any other sort of human challenge(as he IS outclassed, having nothing more than a bolt action). A 10 rd mag, and swift changes of such, certainly suffices for any realistically survivable scenario.

Just how much PRACTICE at getting hits on the 6" brain circle of a charging elephant, bear, etc, does anyone GET with ammo that costs several dollars per shot, hmm? At 15c per shot, for 308 milsurp, you can practice such shots a LOT, and the can will help you hit it, (a LOT). It DOES, however, require a low powered scope,somethinglike a 1.5x.4.5x variable, with either a post reticle or heavy xhairs. The 2" OD of the 308 can means you can't see above the can with the iron sights. You CAN, of course,paint the rear end of the can white, and just keep both eyes open. One eye will see the target,the other eye sees the sights, and the brain will automatically superimpose those two images.So you CAN "see" the sights on the target.

every single thing you post about a .308 suppressor is false. Every single thing. You got exactly nothing correct. None of the popular suppressors for the .308 are 2” OD.

you seem to be hung up on the cost of ammo. For some it is a consideration, for others it isn’t.

but, you need to spend some time and educate yourself about suppressors. You seem to be lacking in basic knowledge of them.

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BigEd

· #12 · Feb 28, 2021

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Terry G

· #13 · Feb 28, 2021

Years ago some Friends and myself shot a head sized target at 100 yards using a Mannlicher - Carcano ,6,5MM Carbine. Three shots in five seconds. Iron sights. Everyone scored at least one hit. Not difficult with even a crappy bolt action. I still have it.

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