Imagine a 160 gr swc, at a whopping 800 fps. It won't even cycle the slide, unless you use wussy springs in the gun. That's all that a "plus P" .38 snub offers in the way of "power", 160 grs, 800 fps. The lhp won't likely expand to larger OD than .45, either. Yet, just because such a load is hard to CONTROL in a .38 snub, guys are all impressed with its "power". Well, what it really IS, where the rubber meets the road, is a wussy load. At 250 ft lbs, it's a LOT closer to the 100 ft lb .22lr, than it is to the 500 ft lb 357. mag load.