We had 2 decades of 185gr, 950 fps .45 jhp, and they didn't amount to acrap, so WHY "think" such .40 jhp loads amount to a crap? they DON'T. The 135 gr, 1250 fps loads (given a real chronoed load, in a typical ccw gun's short barrel) is ok,but it's really only 10% more power than can be had with the 9x19. Whoopee.