or 8c a shot .30 AK ammo (practice ammo, anyway)Corbon claims 150 gr Softpoints, 2400 fps in sks, SAME ballistics as 30-30, but the .30 ak spitzer shape gives it a bit more range. Naturally, less recoil with a gas op auto, and faster repeat shots, so the sks is considerably better for defense, shtf, than any lever action could ever be. faster followup on a cripple, too, (or another critter, for that matter, if inside 50m or so).