[BigJon]

Okay, time to get this one started.

1. Do you like the concept of the round (e.g.: higher capacity .45 ACP performance in a mid- to small-sized concealable pistol)?

2. Do you anticipate, as I do, that some smart marketing guy will come up with a 1911 with a reduced-diameter grip to accommodate the 45 GAP, and then advertise it as "the 21st Century 1911"?

3. Etc......

Regards,
Jon

 

[Garand]

I'm not much into experimental/wildcat style cartridges, I like to shoot calibers where the components are readily available to me. Just my $0.02.

 

[84 C4]

I think the .45 GAP is going to hit mainstream, Springfield and Kimber, and I think Taurus as well, are introducing models chambered for the .45 GAP. It's a mistake, IMHO.

 

[John in AR]

Same here. I'd not be comfortable with that new of a round. For a potential shtf gun, I'd not want even a .357 Sig, due to lack of abundance.

That said, the concept is valid. If you can duplicate the end result (bullet diameter, weight, and velocity) in a more compact package, why not...?

 

[BigJon]

Good point, Garand. When and if the round gets established, then reloading "pieces/parts" will be more widely available, and I was not really addressing that. Rather, just looking for what folks thought about the round in concept, and whether and how the marketing folks out there will market it beyond the G35.

JC

 

[Terry G]

Good point, Garand. When and if the round gets established, then reloading "pieces/parts" will be more widely available, and I was not really addressing that. Rather, just looking for what folks thought about the round in concept, and whether and how the marketing folks out there will market it beyond the G35.

JC

I think it will have some market appeal, especially if companies besides Glock bring out pistols for it. As far as replacing the .45 ACP, I don't see that happening at all. IMHO, I see it as a 10MM or .357SIG type round in popularity, not a 9MM, .40 S&W, or .45ACP. I'm not knocking it, though I don't see the need for it. But hey, variety IS the spice of life. How many guns do we really need? I'll bet anybody reading this has many more than they regularily shoot, I know I do!

 

[41mag]

Lets see,Colt,Winchester,Remington,S&W,& Ruger all have their own cartridges.
I think that it's a case of me to!me to!
IOW some marketing types are convincing the manufacturers that
there is a market for the new round.
Let's see:.45 Win Mag,.45Super,.45ACP,.45 LC,.454Casull,.45Auto Rim,& now .45GAP.Hmmmm.Maybe somebody will make a Medusa revolver in .45cal too.

 

[RIKA]

The 45 GAP doesn't offer anything to me that my current handguns chambered for standard cartridges don't already do. If I were in the market for a new handgun, I think I would want a Glock or Sig chambered for 357 Sig with an extra barrel in 40 cal.

RIKA

 

[TODD 3465]

If the .40S&W hadn't already been around the.45GAP would be an OK round but now...why?

Of course the .45"GAP" sounds like the perfect round for Mall Ninja's.

 

[Magnum88C]

I guess the concept is valid. .45 ACP performance in a round that lets you have a slightly shorter front-back distance in your grip with the same capacity.

I don't think it'll hit real big, because most people want spray-n-pray capability and will still prefer 9mm and .40 guns for that. For the small, deep concealment market, there will probably be more interest. Overall, I don't think it'll ever be a first-tier cartridge.

 

[Guest]

But a glock 19 sized .45 that is ultra reliable sounds real good. And a glock 26!!! size .45 pocket gun sounds WONDERFUL. That is the only reason I see for the .45 GAP. Don't need it in a full size gun as you can get lots of others that size in .45 ACP.

 

[KJUN]

I'm not to excited about it. The Glock grip is STILL too large for smaller framed hands. I've held some smaller .45ACPs with grips that seemed more comfortable for people with smaller hands. It'll be popular with the bandwagon people that would buy turds if Glock put there name on it, but that might be about it.

The Springfield XD is chambered in the 45GAP now. I can't wait for my wife to see how THAT grip fits her hand. My gut feeling is that it still won't be as nice as Glock advertising makes it sound, but I am keeping my figers crossed. I'll stick with my .45ACP, but a smaller framed 45-caliber handgun would be perfect for her. I hate seeing her with just a 9mm on her headboard, so it is that or a .40 right now. The GAP - if the grips were designed to the BEST the cartridge could offer - might fill that niche.

Still, I don't see it ever replacing the .45ACP because it doesn't offer any new benefit IMO.
KJ

 

[andy]

big joke. Standard .45 ACP performance

is nothing special. low velocity is not the answer. ability to recover the pistol rds from anybody wont matter any if shtf. U'd never survive needing to fire 20 rds from a pistol, in several years, and in that time, you are going to pick up many dozens of pistols, with ammo, from the dead. No better than virutally anyone is with a pistol, having to use a "strange" one isn't going to mean anything. Best have a quiet, very handy auto rifle, that you keep either in hand or on assualt sling, cause when everyone's got an auto rifle, the pistol amounts to almost nothing, even in expert hands. Nearly all of what guys THINK they want a pistol for, a canned .22 pocket auto can handle. So much for "needing' a commonly available pistol rd for shtf.

 

[Guest]

Robert D. Maxwell
Rank and organization: Technician Fifth Grade, U.S. Army, 7th Infantry, 3d Infantry Division.
Place and date: Near Besancon, France, 7 September 1944.
Entered service at: Larimer County, Colo. Birth: Boise, Idaho. G.O. No.: 24, 6 April 1945. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at risk of life above and beyond the call of duty on 7 September 1944, near Besancon, France. Technician 5th Grade Maxwell and 3 other soldiers, armed only with .45 caliber automatic pistols, defended the battalion observation post against an overwhelming onslaught by enemy infantrymen in approximately platoon strength, supported by 20mm. flak and machinegun fire, who had infiltrated through the battalion's forward companies and were attacking the observation post with machinegun, machine pistol, and grenade fire at ranges as close as 10 yards. Despite a hail of fire from automatic weapons and grenade launchers, Technician 5th Grade Maxwell aggressively fought off advancing enemy elements and, by his calmness, tenacity, and fortitude, inspired his fellows to continue the unequal struggle. When an enemy hand grenade was thrown in the midst of his squad, Technician 5th Grade Maxwell unhesitatingly hurled himself squarely upon it, using his blanket and his unprotected body to absorb the full force of the explosion. This act of instantaneous heroism permanently maimed Technician 5th Grade Maxwell, but saved the lives of his comrades in arms and facilitated maintenance of vital military communications during the temporary withdrawal of the battalion's forward headquarters


How many rounds does your crystal ball say you need? And how effective is the .45acp?

 

[Guest]

Re: big joke. Standard .45 ACP performance

is nothing special. low velocity is not the answer. ability to recover the pistol rds from anybody wont matter any if shtf. U'd never survive needing to fire 20 rds from a pistol, in several years, and in that time, you are going to pick up many dozens of pistols, with ammo, from the dead. No better than virutally anyone is with a pistol, having to use a "strange" one isn't going to mean anything. Best have a quiet, very handy auto rifle, that you keep either in hand or on assualt sling, cause when everyone's got an auto rifle, the pistol amounts to almost nothing, even in expert hands. Nearly all of what guys THINK they want a pistol for, a canned .22 pocket auto can handle. So much for "needing' a commonly available pistol rd for shtf.

Youknow, there is a name for people that steal from the dead and kill people for their stuff. It's not something worth living to be called for in my opinion.

 

[andy]

just because they are dead doesn't mean

YOU killed em, stupe. Also, those unwilling or unable to do such will be numbered among the dead, if shtf.

 

[Garand]

You seem fairly certain that you'll be around. Don't think so, not with your demonstrated lack of knowledge and skill regarding fieldcraft, land navigation and long range shooting.

 

[andy]

u r so stupid as to "think" that long range

means jack crap in thick cover or darkness. Go AHEAD, stupid, BE stationary, out in the open, in daylight, in your FANTASY that you aren't in somebody's crosshairs. There's food everywhere, walking around on 2 legs, with idiot "brains' like yours making the harvesting VERY easy.

Like the frontiersmen and Indians just PERISHED for the lack of maps and compasses, right? Just because YOU wouldn't have a clue how to make it without such gear, does NOT mean that everyone is as clueless as you are.

 

[Garand]

So what happens if you see nobody for day? Nobody to shoot in the back and loot? You don't have the skill to survive any other way. You are tooooo inept to actually become skilled.

 

[Guest]

Stupekid you have already PROVEN you will get lost at night and have no way of getting out of a swamp. You have PROVEN you know nothing about maps or compass. You have PROVEN you did not even know a silenced simi-auto .22 or AR makes NOISE from the working bolt that can be heard for quite a distance, especially at night. You have PROVEN you have no defense against a multitude of DISEASES that prevail in the outdoors. You have PROVEN you don't have a clue about first aid. You have PROVEN you don't know squat about any SHTF subject.

You won't last a week, if that, in any REALISTIC SHTF. Not a week.