and Ron Bright saw me keeping the hits in the C zone, with half of them in the A zone, from Surrender, with a speed rig in 1978. They had real trouble doing the same at 10 yds, because of their Western Fast draw practice, causing them to yank their triggers. I was never able to do much at 50 yds under match pressure, tho. Usually 1-2 of five shots missed the target, and the rest would typically be poor hits. Could never make myself practice being stupid, just standing there with a pistol, at such a range. I later learned to fall backwards, into the fetal position and aim at the shoulder at such a range, but that was just a match tactic. If it was for blood, I'd not waste my time and ammo beyond 25 m. I'd move laterally to cover, or dodge as I ran from the field, if against pistols. If against rifles, it's a tossup. Probably go fetal tho, cause that's what I practiced most at such ranges.