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pierced 3/16--1/4" steel tank side, (never measure it, ok?, 35 years ago). from 100m, and put BIG,extended "bumps" in the far side of the tank. the SX softpoint will not exit the body of a chuck. it's so thin jacketed. line up 3 full soda cans, hit it with this load, and the 3rd can will only be DENTED. What happens in fluids,(including tissues)and what happens in metal, wood, etc, are NOT one and the same thing, at really high velocities, man.
 

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JD, the difference is range.

Yeah, you hit someone with a bullet like that at those muzzle velocities who isn't wearing something like military Interceptor body armor with a SAPI, at say 75m, you're gonna hurt them bad them.

One feature of M193 55gr ammo, and 5.56mm ammo in general, is that it will go through one layer of almost anything normally encountered, but after it does it blows apart. This is both a plus and a minus. The 5.56mm, for instance, will usually not penetrate both sides of an automobile. Situations like this is one area where a 7.62x39mm and the .308 has an advantage over it.

BUT, as the range increases, the effectiveness decreases dramatically, even with your beloved 'softpoints'.

The lighter the bullet the faster it loses energy. THAT is just a matter of physics and you cannot get around that.

I've shot a lot of things with 5.56mm. One of the more effective bullets I've used against a soft target is the 52gr FMJHP. Exposed lead tip bullets in the 5.56mm I've found to be less violently destructive than military M193 spec FMJ loads. I'm not a bit fan of exposed lead tip bullets in the 5.56mm.

The ballistic tip style bullets generally work very well. Probably a good all around hunting and mankiller load would be the Winchester 64gr power point.
 

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u dont know what you are talking about. The tank was 4 ft across, and 100m or so away, and Lee shot it twice, with THE most fragile sp available. The slugs held together after piercing the near side, enough to pass thru 4 ft of air, put HUGE dimples, on the far side of the tank, NEARLY exiting it. It was a 1000 gallon tank, his dad had bought for the scrap steel profit. Good thing, because Lee had ruined it. :) He thought it would just splatter on the front side of the tank. I knew better, but I was in BAsic training, having left my guns with Lee.
u hit somebody in the chest with a good 60 gr, 223 sp bullet, at "merely" 1800 fps, they've HAD it, man. At the ranges where the bullet has slowed down that much, it'll be 225m for the 10" barrel, 300m for the 20" barrel. they will be WAY too screwed up to be able to hit a head on prone man at such ranges. No reason at all for you to be an easier target than that, or get closer after shooting somebody. In a few minutes, they'll be dead. 90+% of the non accidental hits in combat are inside 100m, and the 10" 223 still has 2300 fps left at that range. 95+% occur at less than 200m, and 10" 223 still has 1900 fps left out there. Ball ammo sucks,mostly, altho the 55 gr stuff is still fairly effective to 100m in a 10" barrel, with decent hits. The sp, however, will blow FAR bigger holes in biceps, buttocks, calves, etc, from the short barrel . There's ZERO reason to settle for ball for the BOB load, and if you have to do so later, it will do ok.
 

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never measure it, ok?, 35 years ago
but I was in BAsic training

2004-35=1969 The person known as gunkid who claims to be John Davis wasn't in Basic training in 1969 or prior to it.
Unless I've read the paperwork incorrectly.

Did Hornady SXs even exist in 1969?


the 55 gr stuff is still fairly effective to 100m in a 10" barrel
Yeah about as effective as a 22lr at short range, pretty damn poor.

As usual it's just more bullshrimp from you.
 

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Geez, everybody I know can at least tell when they joined the Army! For me 08 Aug 1973, my first day at boot camp.
 

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andy said:
u dont know what you are talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about.

If that bullet was travelling at 3000fps, what probably dimpled the opposite side of that tank was one or more of the larger fragments. A 5.56mm will sometimes hold together when shooting through hard obstacles, but that is the exception. The 5.56mm will often break apart even after hitting a pane of glass.

Range is important. The 5.56mm can be surprisingly effective, but the longer the range, the less effective it is. At a velocity of 1800fps, that 64gr power point will greatly reduced effectiveness by anyone with even average body armor, like the kind routinely worn by cops.
 
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