[andy]

by MANY a year, odds are 100 to 1. With even just average hunting and marksmanship, 90% kills on small game, to 30m, means 450 small critters to eat. That's a year's supply of flesh food, for 2 people. Have some sense, and shoot SOME dogs, cattle, deer,etc, shoot a few of same with 223, catch SOME stuff with snares, traps, nets, trotlines, and you stetch those 22's out to 30 years.

200 rds of 22lr will last a couple of years, easily and by then, any survivor will have "recovered" many hundreds more rds of .22's, from the dead. .22 ammo will be PRIME barter material, as will .22 silencers. Unlike the idiots of today, the survivors will KNOW how deadly-effective such gear is. So the bow and arrow and slingshot crap is a waste of time and money. So is the "1 MOA" .22 rifle bs.

make up your silly mind. either the 3" groups at 20 yds of the bow is adequate for taking game, or you need .5" groups at 50 yds, which makes the bow WORTHLESS.

If have the LUXURY of wasting an entire day stalking within 10 ft of a rabbit, NECESSARY to head hit him with slingshot and rock, and another day finding 10 suitable rocks, you COULD have done a LOT of far more necessary and effective things. so the entire idea is just stupid. Leave the slings and the bows to the 007- Rambo wannabees who specialize in "secret -compartments" in their boots,etc.

 

[Aslan]

If have the LUXURY of wasting an entire day stalking within 10 ft of a rabbit, NECESSARY to head hit him with slingshot and rock, and another day finding 10 suitable rocks, you COULD have done a LOT of far more necessary and effective things. so the entire idea is just stupid. Leave the slings and the bows to the 007- Rambo wannabees who specialize in "secret -compartments" in their boots,etc.

I think you are being a bit unrealistic with your time estimates, as well as it being a requirement to get within 10ft.

I also seem to recall you being an advocate of the "spring bow" fro quite some time.

A good bow and good arrows are capable of very good accuracy at distances upto and beyond 50 yds.

You may find yourself in a situation where skill with either the slingshot or the bow may be required.

Having the skill and the equipment and never having to use it is far better than needing them and not having them.

To dismiss such as rambo fantasy (this from the person who is constantly describing ambushes and "specific missions") is intellectually dishonest.

:devil:

 

[Magnum88C]

Bows are not a waste of time, they are a darn good time. Good leisure time is something even you could enjoy, if you'd stop obsessing over illegal activities you seem to have a compulsion to commit.

If you think you have to get within 20 yards to kill something with a bow, then you're not a good, or even mediocre shot with one, and have never seen anyone who was. A mediocre shot will hit small game reliably at 40 yards, deer out to 70-80 yards. And that's a mediocre shot.

Broadheads kill much more quickly than a .22LR, the heads are recoverable, sometimes the shafts, and you'd be surprised at how many people who are into traditional and primitive archery can make their own bows and arrows. They ARE replenishable in the field, .22s are not.

Besides, not everything revolves around SHTF. Get a life.

 

[andy]

I said slingshot, with ROCKS, and that DOES require head shots, and it DOES require being within 10 ft. I have $5000 to your $500 that says NOBODY can get 9 out of 10 hits, on a 1" mark, at 15 ft, with a slingshot, using naturally found rocks.

With a bow you can MAKE, arrows you can MAKE, taking small game, RELIABLY, when shtf conditions of hunger, fear, depression, exhaustion are what's up, no you will NOT take small game at more than about 50 ft. The main use for slingbow is frogs, fish, maybe livestock,and all that's required is the little alloy rod for nocking the arrows, the rubber fletch, a broadhead, and 2 hunks of surgical tubing (which has OTHER uses in the BOB) a bow is a VERY large, fairly heavy item. It and a dozen arrows (EASILY lost, damaged) weigh a MORE than 1000 rds of .22lr, which will suffice to feed a family for 40 years or more,and offer silence, rapidfire, and the .22 unit in the AR offers night sights, and low cost, quiet PRACTICE with the fighting rifle, NOW. Such practice is at LEAST as enjoyable as dicking around with bow and arrow, and it's 100x as likely to be of real VALUE, too.

No, u AINT gonna carry both an auto rifle AND a modern bow, post shtf, and if you are stupid enough to be WITHOUT your auto rifle, ever, you wont last long.

 

[andy]

yeah, right. you can spend WEEKS, exposed to the enemy, in daylight, just LOOKING for proper bow and arrow materials, in MANY areas. Anyone who's ever TRIED it knows this to be true. with the tools available to you, post shtf, it will take ANOTHER week to make them, and it takes MANY hours of time, NOW, to learn to make and use ,them, when you AINT very good with a gun, and are HELPLESS at hand to hand stuff. you have your training priorities ALL screwed up.

 

[Magnum88C]

. . .Besides, not everything revolves around SHTF. Get a life.

Even if it's SHTF, you won't be in combat 24/7, and if you try it, you won't be around long enough to worry about.

 

[andy]

so what? ANY time you expose yourself in daylight, shtf, you'd better EXPECT to get shot at. to do otherwise is just stupid. It only takes ONCE, and you are dead.

 

[Guest]

'Weeks' to find bow and arrow material? Maybe were you live, but not for everyone else. 'week' to make a bow? just in a work week that's 40 hours (unless you are dumping johnny-on-the-spots). Must take you a long time to make a bow and arrows, being so inept. Time to LEARN? many of us hunt with bows now. I guess you spend so much time on the keyboard and playing pocket pool I can see you don't have any time to learn. That bad back must hurt even more bending over to cut some good bow material.

Oh the hand-2-hand stuff. Well with your bad back, poor eyesight and hearing I don't think you will be much at any H2H. Nor gun. You are over the hill and going down fast.

yeah, right. you can spend WEEKS, exposed to the enemy, in daylight, just LOOKING for proper bow and arrow materials, in MANY areas. Anyone who's ever TRIED it knows this to be true. with the tools available to you, post shtf, it will take ANOTHER week to make them, and it takes MANY hours of time, NOW, to learn to make and use ,them, when you AINT very good with a gun, and are HELPLESS at hand to hand stuff. you have your training priorities ALL screwed up.

 

[andy]

why don't u come to Durango, CO, and find, OUT? Whoever told you I have a bad back, etc, is fos. let's SEE you, under shtf conditions, make a bow, string, a dozen arrows, some with big game heads, in less than a week, twit. You will be busy evading enemies, trying to boil water, etc, etc, etc. There were 2.5-3 million Indians here when Columbus landed. There's 100x that many people here now. All they had to worry about was the 50m (TOPS) range of a bow and ignorant savage shooting it. Today, you'd BETTER worry about the 500m range of a scoped rifle.

 

[Guest]

dozen arrows, stupekid? 50m range? Maybe you can't get withing 50m of a rabbit, or squirrl, or anything, but lots of us here can do better than that. stupekid, I hunt with a bow. I've taken SEVERAL deer with bows. Now I can see you are so inept and stupid you can't find bow materal or so fumble fingerd you take a week to make one, but that's not everyone here. You, being alone, I can see having to hide and crawl like some pig looking for truffles, but WE will be with others. Some will make bows, some hunt, some scout. It will be YOU who has nothing and will be nothing.

 

[Magnum88C]

Today, you'd BETTER worry about the 500m range of a scoped rifle.

But see, YOU just said in another thread that you DON'T have to worry about 500 yard scoped rifles (actually it was 400 yard guns, maybe you DO have to worry about 500 yard guns though), stop contradicting yourself. It might help if you write down stuf while making it up so you can remember which lie you're going with this time around.

 

[Garand]

Try posting a detailed list of your Bug out Bag!

 

[Dorobuta]

why don't u come to Durango, CO, and find, OUT? Whoever told you I have a bad back, etc, is fos. let's SEE you, under shtf conditions, make a bow, string, a dozen arrows, some with big game heads, in less than a week, twit. You will be busy evading enemies, trying to boil water, etc, etc, etc. There were 2.5-3 million Indians here when Columbus landed. There's 100x that many people here now. All they had to worry about was the 50m (TOPS) range of a bow and ignorant savage shooting it. Today, you'd BETTER worry about the 500m range of a scoped rifle.

You are the one posting about your health problems. So I guess you’re admitting to being FOS?