Glad you agree. :dgrin:andy said:...9x19 is an amazing little rd...
One thing that you'd need to watch is to make sure that you stayed within a the hollowpoint bullet's "sweet spot". Modern hollowpoints are designed to expand optimally inside a certain velocity range. Outside of the range, on either side, expansion suffers or does not occur. excessive velocity can also lead to fragmenting, which can do pretty gruesome damage but frequently lack sufficient penetration to ensure that vital structures get perforated.John in AR said:A 127 +P+ gives 1250-1300 fps (they claim 1300, but let's be conservative) from a 4" barrel. Assuming going to a carbine barrel gives a 25% increase in velocity, that'd be what, something like 1600 fps, probably? If so, that'd be around 700-750 ft/lbs. A lighter-weight +P+ (or even just +P..?)could be even better.
Yeah, all the extensive testing that's been done with ballistic gelatin to confirm this is all smoke and mirrors. The fact that numerous people have done it independently and have had the same results is just indicative of a Grand Conspiracy.andy said:That's what the maker's CLAIM, but it's mostly bs, cause they are chicken to load the ammo hot enough to be worth a crap.
They're all over the net. You should know, since I recall hearing that you got booted off DiFabio's forum.andy said:WHAT pics have THEY posted?
I can say the same about your ravings. Just run some good tests and prove your case with pics and quantifiable data.andy said:Bs claims of when the bullets HAPPENED to work.
Of course they don't fragment. They're designed not to so as to enhance penetration. That's why they sell BONDED JHP. Some bullet types did fragment, which lead to pretty large wound cavities but decreased penetration, which was deemed undesireable. Over and over again, all the testing indicates that 12"-14" is the magic number needed to insure that a good torso hit will produce results even if there is an arm or intervening hand in the way. The testing seems to completely dovetail with reports from lethal force encounters on the street, too. Since you're the one disagreeing with the body of accumulated knowledge, this puts the burden of proof on you. I'm sure you'll respond with insults and yet another tirade, but that's just the way things work.andy said:Anybody can shoot some animals, like I did, and find out that what I say is correct. Most jhp's don't expand worth a crap in flesh, and it's VERY rare to have one frag, at pistol velocities.
That's right all of the reviewed work that Fackler et al have done and have published results for doesn't match up to the undocumented and unproven CLAIMS of Andy the great internet commando.andy said:WHAT pics have THEY posted? Bs claims of when the bullets HAPPENED to work. Anybody can shoot some animals, like I did, and find out that what I say is correct. Most jhp's don't expand worth a crap in flesh, and it's VERY rare to have one frag, at pistol velocities. I've only seen ONE time that even a good sized dog didn't show an exit wound. That was a shoulder bone hit, with 85 gr Silvertip, loaded to 1650 fps in a 9x19 Browning.