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note how the SAME bozo who CLAIMED 30c ball did fine, is BITCHING about 223 ball's effectiveness? :)
 

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If you had ever studiedt terminal ballistics tets of both calibers you would know that what you say is not true. The double cavity effect of the .30 caliber Carbine ball bulleyt makes it far more effective then paper ballistics suggest.
 

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Stup*kid, your idea of the 5.56 is a pos 11 inch CAR, which I have proven is a pithetic pos only wannabe losers like you use. The .30 carbine is well ahead of the 11 inch CAR. THAT is the difference! The 16 inch ARs are better than the .30 carbine and the 20 inch ARs well ahead. But the 11 inch POS CAR is junk!
 

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Hard Ball said:
...The double cavity effect of the .30 caliber Carbine ball bulleyt makes it far more effective then paper ballistics suggest.
Never heard of the "double cavity effect..." What's that?
 

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more made up bs by hard ball, that's all. I've shot animals with both, and there's truly no comparison. 5.56 ball upends big dogs, etc instantly, inside 30C range,anyway, with 16" or longer barrels. 30C ball rarely does anything of the kind. Its effects are about like 357 or .45 swc, which aint saying a helluva lot.
 

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.30 Carbine works if you think of it as merely an NFA legal "stocked pistol".....straightwalled case,bullet almost as fat as it 's length....I don't want to step in front of one,buthere(at least)if I had to choose,the poodle popper would be better for close range social work.If the carbine's reliable,shoots to your point of aim,and suits you,I wouldnt bust [email protected] on the subject....it's kind of a "straw man" rhetorical thing.
I AM kind of partial to the 5.45(7N6&7N? enhanced) loadings.....they're sort of like the small frame pitbulls of the rifle world;smallbores that rise above expectaions. :cool:
 

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A .30 Carbine ball bullet produces two temporary and permanent wound cavities as it passes through a human torso delivering what amounts to a double tap with a single bullet. This was first discovered by US Army doctors and later confirmed by laboratory wound ballistics testing.
This accounts for the Carbines effectiveness in combat noted by soldiers in WW2 and Korea. :madeuce:
 

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Weird; I'd never heard of even the concept before. Why the .30 carbine, I wonder, and not other calibers...?

Is this a phenomenon of .30C fmj only, due maybe to the exceptionally low ballistic coefficient of a 110-grain, .30 caliber, round-nose bullet...? (That IS a very odd bullet weight-to-diameter ratio, which gives it an unusual shape for a bullet; about like an acorn.)

If it IS an "FMJ-only" phenomenon, I wonder how much benefit one gets by using SP or HP ammo in a .30 carbine....

Any info or links to research (or even personal theories) would be appreciated. This is an absolutely new concept to me.
 

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IIRC, early CCI 9mm used to behave in the same way. There was something about the design that caused severe yaw of the bullet, but it would fail to stabilize hevy end first. It caused a lot of damage.

Unfortunately they changed the design and this is no longer the case.

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more made up bs by hard ball, that's all. I've shot animals with both, and there's truly no comparison. 5.56 ball upends big dogs, etc instantly, inside 30C range,anyway, with 16" or longer barrels. 30C ball rarely does anything of the kind. Its effects are about like 357 or .45 swc, which aint saying a helluva lot.
Notice gunboob ADMITS the 5.56 from BELOW 16" barrels are ineffective! That means he ADMITS his 11" CAR pos is a REAL pos! You just added more proof to my stack of proof you are FOS stup*kid!
 
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