Notice gunboob ADMITS the 5.56 from BELOW 16" barrels are ineffective! That means he ADMITS his 11" CAR pos is a REAL pos! You just added more proof to my stack of proof you are FOS stup*kid!andy said:more made up bs by hard ball, that's all. I've shot animals with both, and there's truly no comparison. 5.56 ball upends big dogs, etc instantly, inside 30C range,anyway, with 16" or longer barrels. 30C ball rarely does anything of the kind. Its effects are about like 357 or .45 swc, which aint saying a helluva lot.