30 AK bullet, a whopping extra 200 fps, pathetic BC numbers, so it can't possibly be better than even the 69 gr 223 bullet, as to fighting wind or gravity. so you get to lug around 30% more ammo wt, for no realistic gain in performance at all,a nd you have to give up the 22lr conversion unit. Wow, that's an impressive "gain".
6.5 grendal. whoopee crap, same wt as30
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The 6.5 Grendel has a heavier bullet which maintains supersonic velocity out to over 1000yds. The .223 is only suitable for killing squirrels. The extra weight is acceptable, because if it takes one bullet to do the job, instead of three or more, you've already won.
The fact that you believe that you lose any conversion capability when referring to the AR15 system merely reflects how ignorant you are of the rifle.
The fact that you believe that you lose any conversion capability when referring to the AR15 system merely reflects how ignorant you are of the rifle.
so HOW u gonna use a .223" .22lr bullet
in a .264" bore, dummy? :-( By the timeyou allow .005" of slip fit for a barrel liner, the wall thickness could be at most .018". That would be a REALLY sturdy thing to have with you in the field. the .22 unit for the 223 needs no barrel liner, so it is quite sturdy indeed. you AINT carrying an entire spare upper receiver group in the field, dummy. A 3/4 lbs, 10" long .22 unit, however, is quite feasible to always have with you, and the caliber swap takes only 20 seconds, and the accuracy and POI are quite acceptable for foraging. The accuracy of the 22 units for the .30 AK basically suck, and if you don't get the barrel liner EXACTLY back where it was, the POI shift is pretty sad.
in a .264" bore, dummy? :-( By the timeyou allow .005" of slip fit for a barrel liner, the wall thickness could be at most .018". That would be a REALLY sturdy thing to have with you in the field. the .22 unit for the 223 needs no barrel liner, so it is quite sturdy indeed. you AINT carrying an entire spare upper receiver group in the field, dummy. A 3/4 lbs, 10" long .22 unit, however, is quite feasible to always have with you, and the caliber swap takes only 20 seconds, and the accuracy and POI are quite acceptable for foraging. The accuracy of the 22 units for the .30 AK basically suck, and if you don't get the barrel liner EXACTLY back where it was, the POI shift is pretty sad.
Andy
The AR15 is a tinker rifle, meaning, you can virtually do anything with it. The same AR15 used to fire a .22lr, is the same one used to fire the .50 Beowulf, and it's the same for the 6.5 Grendal. You do know how to change out the upper receiver on the AR15, right?
The AR15 is a tinker rifle, meaning, you can virtually do anything with it. The same AR15 used to fire a .22lr, is the same one used to fire the .50 Beowulf, and it's the same for the 6.5 Grendal. You do know how to change out the upper receiver on the AR15, right?
to take small game, to use subsonic
22's (thru the 223 can) to quietly remove a sentry or guard dog, to make your 223 ammo last longer, to make use of "recovered", found, or bartered-for ammo, dummy. HALF of the 6 billion rds a year made or importedinto the US each year is .22lr, and that DOES include the shotgun shells. So if you aquire ammo after shtf, the odds are that it will be .22lr, ESPECIALLY in useful amounts. finding 50 rds with the dead guys AK barely makes the package worth rolling up his poncho and burying. It's really easy, however, to have 500 rds of .22lr, and QUITE likely, actually, because of that ease, low cost, quietness, etc. MANY will switch over from shotgun, bolt centerfire, etc to .22 auto rifle, once they wise up (from seeing friend shot dead, after making NOISE, and being REALLLY unable to fight worth a hoot).
22's (thru the 223 can) to quietly remove a sentry or guard dog, to make your 223 ammo last longer, to make use of "recovered", found, or bartered-for ammo, dummy. HALF of the 6 billion rds a year made or importedinto the US each year is .22lr, and that DOES include the shotgun shells. So if you aquire ammo after shtf, the odds are that it will be .22lr, ESPECIALLY in useful amounts. finding 50 rds with the dead guys AK barely makes the package worth rolling up his poncho and burying. It's really easy, however, to have 500 rds of .22lr, and QUITE likely, actually, because of that ease, low cost, quietness, etc. MANY will switch over from shotgun, bolt centerfire, etc to .22 auto rifle, once they wise up (from seeing friend shot dead, after making NOISE, and being REALLLY unable to fight worth a hoot).
Just as I thought...
You're just some 13yr old kid who gets picked on alot in school, and has alot of pent up anger. You release this anger by posting on a gun forum about how much of a "cool guy" you are. You know NOTHING about the topics which you post about. Go back to playing Counterstrike.
You're just some 13yr old kid who gets picked on alot in school, and has alot of pent up anger. You release this anger by posting on a gun forum about how much of a "cool guy" you are. You know NOTHING about the topics which you post about. Go back to playing Counterstrike.
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These are the posts that make you look foolish and take away any credibility you might have had.
not everyone plans on neutering their fighting rifle, so the .22 unit isn’t a consideration. Only a DUMMY would believe their way is the only way.
you post about shooting a sentry, but then can’t articulate why and berate another poster for questioning why you’re attacking a military installation. You could have explained the scenario involving the sentry. But instead, you chose to make yourself look foolish and petty.
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To be fair, it may not be a conscious choice.
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No, I think it's a sad tale of bitterness at a squandered life, magnified by a (self-professed) dependency on mind-altering drugs. I have a brother who has a similar tale, but fortunately with a lower degree of bitterness. He was competent (a non-combat army veteran, held several decent jobs in the 70's & 80's, etc) until he found out he could get "disability" because he'd been diagnosed as dyslexic. Now, 30 years later, he can barely form a coherent sentence verbally, can NOT form a coherent sentence in writing, and is living at another brother's house because he let his own house (which my wife & I sold to him at a phenomenal deal) deteriorate pitifully.
Basically, just as lack of use causes a muscle to atrophy and weaken, lack of use also makes a mind atrophy and weaken. And we're encouraging atrophy and weakness with our current social norms.
Not that I'm becoming a grumpy old man or anything...
Basically, just as lack of use causes a muscle to atrophy and weaken, lack of use also makes a mind atrophy and weaken. And we're encouraging atrophy and weakness with our current social norms.
Not that I'm becoming a grumpy old man or anything...
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John I've a friend who has had behavioral issues most of his life. Most of which I think comes from family and some of the new age crap that infiltrated some churches in the 60's and 70's.
Anyway he wasn't too bad at all until he got into a big argument one weekend with his then mother inlaw over how to discipline his step kids. Next day he wakes up and can't talk hardly at all stuttering really bad.
It was never clear if he had a stroke or something else in the middle of the night.
Despite that he tried to work for 5 years before getting on disability.
Myself I think some of those meds help in one-way and hurt in another.
He's slowly losing his grip on common sense or facts. And, often pull "facts" out of thin air. Sound familiar?
Yeah I'm not too pleased with the way he's been treated or rather not.
Anyway he wasn't too bad at all until he got into a big argument one weekend with his then mother inlaw over how to discipline his step kids. Next day he wakes up and can't talk hardly at all stuttering really bad.
It was never clear if he had a stroke or something else in the middle of the night.
Despite that he tried to work for 5 years before getting on disability.
Myself I think some of those meds help in one-way and hurt in another.
He's slowly losing his grip on common sense or facts. And, often pull "facts" out of thin air. Sound familiar?
Yeah I'm not too pleased with the way he's been treated or rather not.
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Using a .22 to do these things mean you will be dead in very short order.to take small game, to use subsonic
22's (thru the 223 can) to quietly remove a sentry or guard dog, to make your 223 ammo last longer, to make use of "recovered", found, or bartered-for ammo, dummy. HALF of the 6 billion rds a year made or importedinto the US each year is .22lr, and that DOES include the shotgun shells. So if you aquire ammo after shtf, the odds are that it will be .22lr, ESPECIALLY in useful amounts. finding 50 rds with the dead guys AK barely makes the package worth rolling up his poncho and burying. It's really easy, however, to have 500 rds of .22lr, and QUITE likely, actually, because of that ease, low cost, quietness, etc. MANY will switch over from shotgun, bolt centerfire, etc to .22 auto rifle, once they wise up (from seeing friend shot dead, after making NOISE, and being REALLLY unable to fight worth a hoot).
If you are relying on killing people to re-supply, you have zero life expectancy. You may get lucky a few times, but sooner or later you will choose the wrong group or time to engage. If you're using your .22, you'll be dead before you can even get the conversion unit out of your rifle. You aren't swapping anything other than magazines on the run while taking fire. If you're doing the pocket carry of your pistol - like you claim we all must do, you aren't transitioning to the pistol on the run either. So basically, the very first time it even goes slightly sideways, you will find yourself effectively disarmed and then dead.
This is why only a fool would cripple their primary fighting / defensive rifle with the .22 unit. And to do so, just so you can engage somebody in a firefight (even if they don't shoot back, it is a firefight) - well that's completely suicidal.
it's your funeral.
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