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a meaner load than a 125gr 357, from a 4" barrel, and it's a LOTmore effectice, PROVABLE on animals, than a 230 gr .45 jhp, at 800 fps. An 11" 223 can easily still have 60 grs at 2000 fps at 200 yds, and that covers WELL over 95% of the NON ACCIDENTAL hits in combat. Even if you "only" start it at 2600 fps, it will still have well over 2200 fps at 100 yds, and that covers over 90% of the NON ACCIDENTAL hits in combat. 60grs at 2200 fps is 650 ft lbs, the same power as a HOrnet has at the MUZZLE, for the edification of a particularly ignorant member here.
 

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Wrong again, gunkid. You 'think' energy is a be-all end-all but it is not. The .357 magnum has much more frontal area that a .22, is designed to expand at that impact velocity. As for 'PROVABLE on animals', you are again sadly mistaken. The 60 gr .22 at 2000 fps would have to make a perfect shot with no bones obstructing or a brain shot. The .357 and .45 would be much more likely to go through bones into vital areas. I have shot deer with 5.56 and .218 bee, and I know that unless you have the perfect shot, they are no where near as effective as the .357 or .45.

What is more, you are compareing a rifle cartridge to a pistol! Why not your 11 inch CAR round to a 20 inch AR-15, or a 18 inch 7.62 FAL! Face it, the CAR is for losers.
 

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He doesn't HAVE a CAR, DJ. He has no current working knowledge of load data anyway. You don't own ANY firearms, right YS? (yellowstripe) :D

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