[Terry G]

Big Deal, right? That's eight hundred rounds of Russian,Chinese, Hornady, Silver Bear 95 Grain and 115 Grain Hollow Points from nine different magazines. I have not cleaned it since the initial cleaning and treatment with Militech-1. Not ONE malfunction, zero, zip, none. I would like to see a Kimber or Les Bauer do that. Pretty good for "commie junk".

 

[RIKA]

No argument from me. My MAK is a keeper. A person can become mighty familiar with a gun in 800 rds.

RIKA

 

[DJetAce]

That's good as a Glock! They are known to go 1000 rounds without cleaning. The Mak is an excellent pistol.

 

[Glenn Bartley]

Pretty darned good. That is something a military weapon should do - get dirty and keep getting dirty while firing away...

 

[Magnum88C]

That's what military firearms are all about, RELIABILITY. They sound like the old 1911s, you know, the loosey-deucey military models, not the overtight raceguns. Shoot 'em and shoot'em, they reach a point where they can't pack anymore dirt and grime in them, and the next shot blows some of it out and keeps going. Sounds like what you got there with them Maks.

BUT, we all know that Maks are cheap commie POS guns, so to do you a favor, just pack 'em up and send them this way, and I'll make sure you won't be risking your life with them. :dgrin:

What a guy, huh?

 

[andy]

since u aint IN the military, aint in infantry, aint in a combat zone, it's all irrelevant, anyway. a SURVIVALIST weapon, however, has MANY more important issues, and the survivalist will NOT survive by wasting lots of rounds TOTAL, much less in any one "engagement". Therefore, he can keep his guns clean quite readily enough, (ESPECIALLY his pistol, which SHOULD be ccw'd, anyway, out of the elements)and a silencer, .22lr option, GI ammo,(for the rifle) lw, compactness, concealabilty, etc, matter far more than this bs about crawling thru sand and mud for days on end, instantly ready to fire 2000rds.

 

[Aslan]

Since no one knows what form SHTF will take, and it is possible that you will be subjected to mud or worse for days on end, reliability is an issue.

It is debatable about whether or not the pistol should be CCW's or not in SHTF, but it would largely depend on the scenario wouldn't it?

If you are in a situation where every encounter may be hostile, then CCW may be the WORST thing you can do.

And in an open engagement (i.e. You're not ambushing anyone), the silencer may be of little practical value.

So, it isn't a one size fits all. You may have to fire a lot of rounds just to be able to run away - keeping the other guys from advancing or from getting aimed shots at you.

Don't limit your thinking to a single scenario.

Tactics depend on the situation.

:devil:

 

[DJetAce]

Aslan since he advocates humping alone without anything but a backpack in the woods, in the snow, in the rain, in the dark, all kinds of weather you can see anybody with even a thimble of horse brains would know you need a very reliable weapon. Cleaning equipment won't be growing on trees.

 

[andy]

I once put 24,000 rds of Tamarack lubed, cast swc's thru a Series 70 Colt, without incident that was blamable on the gun, and I cleaned it 8x, 2 of which I wouldn't normally have bothered with, but Harry had students who wanted to see "how it's done". Same 3000 rds of brass, no cleaning of that brass, 1979, all of the cases had been fired at least 3x previous to my arrival at Harry's "training place" (ie, a pasture). I lubed the gun 1-2x a day, with WD 40, and shot it, that's all. Some days I shot none at all, other days I shot 1500 rds, 6 weeks, living in a mess tent at the "range". I had an extractor break a corner, the gun still worked. I stuck some bullets in the bore, I had a couple of GI surplus mags crap out. I broke a finger on the collet bushing, the gun worked. I broke a firing pin stop, the gun still worked. I broke the corner off of one of the lower barrel lugs, the gun still worked.

 

[gripper]

I won't willingly "abuse "a weapon;however ther IS a comfort to be had in knowing that something CAN function under harsh to hostile conditions.Sometimes you've got your hands full&need to"multi task"....

 

[DJetAce]

Broke a finger huh? Boy some people here seem to be accident prone.

 

[Alias47]

I believe it was Guns and Ammo did a test of the HK USP 9mm (Had to be almost 10 years ago). They put 25,000 rounds (yes that is the correct number) through one without cleaning and did it without a single misfeed or jam. It still sounds completely unbelievable, but HK pistols are reknowned for their incredible reliability under the worst of conditions.

If I can find the back issue...I will post a reference.