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a good thing for a firearms fancier to obtain.
I read with some interest, today, the inquiry of a young lad, on these boards, about people's opinion of a CZ52 that his parent's were considering buying for him (hopefully that dad and mom actually were considering buying it for themselves and letting him shoot while supervised). I digress, so getting back to the point, I checked the link he supplied to an ad at GunBroker.com. It was for a CZ 52 probably a BRNO in 7.6x25 caliber. The starting price was $175.00 for this auction. I repeat that was the STARTING PRICE at which you would have to begin bidding, it could go higher, who knows how high with some knuckleheads who have money to waste.
Now if you bought the above gun, let's say for its already overpriced starting bid price of $175.00, you would have to add on shipping of about $25, then add about $25 (or more) for the transfer through an FFL holder. Let's forget taxes and figure that the you are buying it from someone in another state who does not collect tax from you. The pistol now cost $225 for you to acquire. There is a better way to buy a firearm like this, and that would be for you to obtain a Collector of Curios and Relics License from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
The C&R goes for a fee of about $30.00 (well that is what I paid for my renewal, and I am pretty sure it is the same for a new one). This license is good for three (3) years. It allows the holder to have certain firearms classified as curios and relics sent directly to him without the need for the transfer to go through a FFL holder. (Lots of desirable firearms are on that list.) The fee for transferring a single gun through an FFL holder is anywhere from about $15 to $50 dependent upon where you live, and that is per gun! That can get expensive if you collect firearms. If, on the other hand, you apply for and are granted a C&R you could have had this gun sent directly to you from the dealer. This would have made the overpriced gun above cost $25 less by the figures I used for our example. You may think that is not a big savings, but if you buy 10 guns this way in a year you could save ten times that money or $250 using the figures in the example.
Of course you know I am about to tell you how you will save even more money. If instead of going to GunBroker.com to look for that pistol, you instead looked at some of the advertisements from some of the bigger dealers/wholesalers, you would have seen that this pistol is advertised for anywhere from about $89.99 to $119.99 in an equal or better condition than the one in the auction. That $175 starting price is not looking so good now is it? That is when the same gun, in reportedly the same or better condition, can be had for so much less money. Of course both ways of purchasing this pistol would incur shipping charges, and delivery to a Federal Firearms License holder or to the holder of a Collector of Curios and Relics license (C&R). You choose which, but let me help you by showing you some figures.
Now Let's do the math and see what we could save by getting a C&R.
$30.00 - for the C&R (good for three years).
$89.95 - for one in Very Good Condition (relatively the same as Fine as per
GunBroker's ratings page) We get the cheaper one because we
also allowed that the gun at auction went for its lowest
acceptable bid
$25.00 - shipping
_______
$144.95 - Total
Remember that without a C&R that gun from the auction would cost you at least about $225.00 The difference between $225.00 and $144.95 is: $80.05.
Guess what you could do with that $80.05, you could buy lots of ammo for the pistol, probably from 750 to 1,000 rounds.
Now buy a second gun a month or so after the CZ52. Lets say a nice Yugoslavian SKS. I bought three of them from a dealer/wholesaler whose advertisement I found either on the web or in Gun List or Shotgun News. I paid about $139.00 each in unissued condition. I recently went to a local firearms dealer and was pretty shocked to see ones in much worse condition than mine selling for over $450 each! Sure you can get them at a better price from an auction like GunBroker.com where they are usually readily available, but if you don't have that C&R lets see how much it would cost for three of them, from a dealer:
$139.00 x 3 = $417.00 for the rifles
$ 25.00 x 3 = $ 75.00 for the FFL transfer fees
$ 35.00 = $35.00 Shipping for all three shipped in same box
________
$527.00
Now even if the FFL holder gives you a break to lets say $15 for each transfer, that is now $30 less or a total of $497.00.
Why not just remove that fee virtually altogether, and if you had already had your C&R when you bought the CZ52 a month before you bought these rifles, then that is pretty much just what you accomplished. I say so because there is only a one time fee for that license in its three year life. In other words now those same rifles shipped to you would only cost $527 - 75 = $452. Even the difference in cost with the discounted FFL transfer would be: $45. So you could get a $5 to $75 savings on that one purchase. That money is equal to a good amount of ammo for that rifle.
The bottom line is that if you plan to buy a few firearms that are on the curios and relics list over the course of the next three years, it may be well to your benefit to apply for a C&R license. Also if you live in an area where FFL holders charge you exorbitant fees to make a firearms transfer, such as here in NY where is can easily cost $40 - $50 per gun, then you really should consider getting a C&R.
Best regards,
Glenn B
a good thing for a firearms fancier to obtain.
I read with some interest, today, the inquiry of a young lad, on these boards, about people's opinion of a CZ52 that his parent's were considering buying for him (hopefully that dad and mom actually were considering buying it for themselves and letting him shoot while supervised). I digress, so getting back to the point, I checked the link he supplied to an ad at GunBroker.com. It was for a CZ 52 probably a BRNO in 7.6x25 caliber. The starting price was $175.00 for this auction. I repeat that was the STARTING PRICE at which you would have to begin bidding, it could go higher, who knows how high with some knuckleheads who have money to waste.
Now if you bought the above gun, let's say for its already overpriced starting bid price of $175.00, you would have to add on shipping of about $25, then add about $25 (or more) for the transfer through an FFL holder. Let's forget taxes and figure that the you are buying it from someone in another state who does not collect tax from you. The pistol now cost $225 for you to acquire. There is a better way to buy a firearm like this, and that would be for you to obtain a Collector of Curios and Relics License from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
The C&R goes for a fee of about $30.00 (well that is what I paid for my renewal, and I am pretty sure it is the same for a new one). This license is good for three (3) years. It allows the holder to have certain firearms classified as curios and relics sent directly to him without the need for the transfer to go through a FFL holder. (Lots of desirable firearms are on that list.) The fee for transferring a single gun through an FFL holder is anywhere from about $15 to $50 dependent upon where you live, and that is per gun! That can get expensive if you collect firearms. If, on the other hand, you apply for and are granted a C&R you could have had this gun sent directly to you from the dealer. This would have made the overpriced gun above cost $25 less by the figures I used for our example. You may think that is not a big savings, but if you buy 10 guns this way in a year you could save ten times that money or $250 using the figures in the example.
Of course you know I am about to tell you how you will save even more money. If instead of going to GunBroker.com to look for that pistol, you instead looked at some of the advertisements from some of the bigger dealers/wholesalers, you would have seen that this pistol is advertised for anywhere from about $89.99 to $119.99 in an equal or better condition than the one in the auction. That $175 starting price is not looking so good now is it? That is when the same gun, in reportedly the same or better condition, can be had for so much less money. Of course both ways of purchasing this pistol would incur shipping charges, and delivery to a Federal Firearms License holder or to the holder of a Collector of Curios and Relics license (C&R). You choose which, but let me help you by showing you some figures.
Now Let's do the math and see what we could save by getting a C&R.
$30.00 - for the C&R (good for three years).
$89.95 - for one in Very Good Condition (relatively the same as Fine as per
GunBroker's ratings page) We get the cheaper one because we
also allowed that the gun at auction went for its lowest
acceptable bid
$25.00 - shipping
_______
$144.95 - Total
Remember that without a C&R that gun from the auction would cost you at least about $225.00 The difference between $225.00 and $144.95 is: $80.05.
Guess what you could do with that $80.05, you could buy lots of ammo for the pistol, probably from 750 to 1,000 rounds.
Now buy a second gun a month or so after the CZ52. Lets say a nice Yugoslavian SKS. I bought three of them from a dealer/wholesaler whose advertisement I found either on the web or in Gun List or Shotgun News. I paid about $139.00 each in unissued condition. I recently went to a local firearms dealer and was pretty shocked to see ones in much worse condition than mine selling for over $450 each! Sure you can get them at a better price from an auction like GunBroker.com where they are usually readily available, but if you don't have that C&R lets see how much it would cost for three of them, from a dealer:
$139.00 x 3 = $417.00 for the rifles
$ 25.00 x 3 = $ 75.00 for the FFL transfer fees
$ 35.00 = $35.00 Shipping for all three shipped in same box
________
$527.00
Now even if the FFL holder gives you a break to lets say $15 for each transfer, that is now $30 less or a total of $497.00.
Why not just remove that fee virtually altogether, and if you had already had your C&R when you bought the CZ52 a month before you bought these rifles, then that is pretty much just what you accomplished. I say so because there is only a one time fee for that license in its three year life. In other words now those same rifles shipped to you would only cost $527 - 75 = $452. Even the difference in cost with the discounted FFL transfer would be: $45. So you could get a $5 to $75 savings on that one purchase. That money is equal to a good amount of ammo for that rifle.
The bottom line is that if you plan to buy a few firearms that are on the curios and relics list over the course of the next three years, it may be well to your benefit to apply for a C&R license. Also if you live in an area where FFL holders charge you exorbitant fees to make a firearms transfer, such as here in NY where is can easily cost $40 - $50 per gun, then you really should consider getting a C&R.
Best regards,
Glenn B
I read with some interest, today, the inquiry of a young lad, on these boards, about people's opinion of a CZ52 that his parent's were considering buying for him (hopefully that dad and mom actually were considering buying it for themselves and letting him shoot while supervised). I digress, so getting back to the point, I checked the link he supplied to an ad at GunBroker.com. It was for a CZ 52 probably a BRNO in 7.6x25 caliber. The starting price was $175.00 for this auction. I repeat that was the STARTING PRICE at which you would have to begin bidding, it could go higher, who knows how high with some knuckleheads who have money to waste.
Now if you bought the above gun, let's say for its already overpriced starting bid price of $175.00, you would have to add on shipping of about $25, then add about $25 (or more) for the transfer through an FFL holder. Let's forget taxes and figure that the you are buying it from someone in another state who does not collect tax from you. The pistol now cost $225 for you to acquire. There is a better way to buy a firearm like this, and that would be for you to obtain a Collector of Curios and Relics License from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
The C&R goes for a fee of about $30.00 (well that is what I paid for my renewal, and I am pretty sure it is the same for a new one). This license is good for three (3) years. It allows the holder to have certain firearms classified as curios and relics sent directly to him without the need for the transfer to go through a FFL holder. (Lots of desirable firearms are on that list.) The fee for transferring a single gun through an FFL holder is anywhere from about $15 to $50 dependent upon where you live, and that is per gun! That can get expensive if you collect firearms. If, on the other hand, you apply for and are granted a C&R you could have had this gun sent directly to you from the dealer. This would have made the overpriced gun above cost $25 less by the figures I used for our example. You may think that is not a big savings, but if you buy 10 guns this way in a year you could save ten times that money or $250 using the figures in the example.
Of course you know I am about to tell you how you will save even more money. If instead of going to GunBroker.com to look for that pistol, you instead looked at some of the advertisements from some of the bigger dealers/wholesalers, you would have seen that this pistol is advertised for anywhere from about $89.99 to $119.99 in an equal or better condition than the one in the auction. That $175 starting price is not looking so good now is it? That is when the same gun, in reportedly the same or better condition, can be had for so much less money. Of course both ways of purchasing this pistol would incur shipping charges, and delivery to a Federal Firearms License holder or to the holder of a Collector of Curios and Relics license (C&R). You choose which, but let me help you by showing you some figures.
Now Let's do the math and see what we could save by getting a C&R.
$30.00 - for the C&R (good for three years).
$89.95 - for one in Very Good Condition (relatively the same as Fine as per
GunBroker's ratings page) We get the cheaper one because we
also allowed that the gun at auction went for its lowest
acceptable bid
$25.00 - shipping
_______
$144.95 - Total
Remember that without a C&R that gun from the auction would cost you at least about $225.00 The difference between $225.00 and $144.95 is: $80.05.
Guess what you could do with that $80.05, you could buy lots of ammo for the pistol, probably from 750 to 1,000 rounds.
Now buy a second gun a month or so after the CZ52. Lets say a nice Yugoslavian SKS. I bought three of them from a dealer/wholesaler whose advertisement I found either on the web or in Gun List or Shotgun News. I paid about $139.00 each in unissued condition. I recently went to a local firearms dealer and was pretty shocked to see ones in much worse condition than mine selling for over $450 each! Sure you can get them at a better price from an auction like GunBroker.com where they are usually readily available, but if you don't have that C&R lets see how much it would cost for three of them, from a dealer:
$139.00 x 3 = $417.00 for the rifles
$ 25.00 x 3 = $ 75.00 for the FFL transfer fees
$ 35.00 = $35.00 Shipping for all three shipped in same box
________
$527.00
Now even if the FFL holder gives you a break to lets say $15 for each transfer, that is now $30 less or a total of $497.00.
Why not just remove that fee virtually altogether, and if you had already had your C&R when you bought the CZ52 a month before you bought these rifles, then that is pretty much just what you accomplished. I say so because there is only a one time fee for that license in its three year life. In other words now those same rifles shipped to you would only cost $527 - 75 = $452. Even the difference in cost with the discounted FFL transfer would be: $45. So you could get a $5 to $75 savings on that one purchase. That money is equal to a good amount of ammo for that rifle.
The bottom line is that if you plan to buy a few firearms that are on the curios and relics list over the course of the next three years, it may be well to your benefit to apply for a C&R license. Also if you live in an area where FFL holders charge you exorbitant fees to make a firearms transfer, such as here in NY where is can easily cost $40 - $50 per gun, then you really should consider getting a C&R.
Best regards,
Glenn B
a good thing for a firearms fancier to obtain.
I read with some interest, today, the inquiry of a young lad, on these boards, about people's opinion of a CZ52 that his parent's were considering buying for him (hopefully that dad and mom actually were considering buying it for themselves and letting him shoot while supervised). I digress, so getting back to the point, I checked the link he supplied to an ad at GunBroker.com. It was for a CZ 52 probably a BRNO in 7.6x25 caliber. The starting price was $175.00 for this auction. I repeat that was the STARTING PRICE at which you would have to begin bidding, it could go higher, who knows how high with some knuckleheads who have money to waste.
Now if you bought the above gun, let's say for its already overpriced starting bid price of $175.00, you would have to add on shipping of about $25, then add about $25 (or more) for the transfer through an FFL holder. Let's forget taxes and figure that the you are buying it from someone in another state who does not collect tax from you. The pistol now cost $225 for you to acquire. There is a better way to buy a firearm like this, and that would be for you to obtain a Collector of Curios and Relics License from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
The C&R goes for a fee of about $30.00 (well that is what I paid for my renewal, and I am pretty sure it is the same for a new one). This license is good for three (3) years. It allows the holder to have certain firearms classified as curios and relics sent directly to him without the need for the transfer to go through a FFL holder. (Lots of desirable firearms are on that list.) The fee for transferring a single gun through an FFL holder is anywhere from about $15 to $50 dependent upon where you live, and that is per gun! That can get expensive if you collect firearms. If, on the other hand, you apply for and are granted a C&R you could have had this gun sent directly to you from the dealer. This would have made the overpriced gun above cost $25 less by the figures I used for our example. You may think that is not a big savings, but if you buy 10 guns this way in a year you could save ten times that money or $250 using the figures in the example.
Of course you know I am about to tell you how you will save even more money. If instead of going to GunBroker.com to look for that pistol, you instead looked at some of the advertisements from some of the bigger dealers/wholesalers, you would have seen that this pistol is advertised for anywhere from about $89.99 to $119.99 in an equal or better condition than the one in the auction. That $175 starting price is not looking so good now is it? That is when the same gun, in reportedly the same or better condition, can be had for so much less money. Of course both ways of purchasing this pistol would incur shipping charges, and delivery to a Federal Firearms License holder or to the holder of a Collector of Curios and Relics license (C&R). You choose which, but let me help you by showing you some figures.
Now Let's do the math and see what we could save by getting a C&R.
$30.00 - for the C&R (good for three years).
$89.95 - for one in Very Good Condition (relatively the same as Fine as per
GunBroker's ratings page) We get the cheaper one because we
also allowed that the gun at auction went for its lowest
acceptable bid
$25.00 - shipping
_______
$144.95 - Total
Remember that without a C&R that gun from the auction would cost you at least about $225.00 The difference between $225.00 and $144.95 is: $80.05.
Guess what you could do with that $80.05, you could buy lots of ammo for the pistol, probably from 750 to 1,000 rounds.
Now buy a second gun a month or so after the CZ52. Lets say a nice Yugoslavian SKS. I bought three of them from a dealer/wholesaler whose advertisement I found either on the web or in Gun List or Shotgun News. I paid about $139.00 each in unissued condition. I recently went to a local firearms dealer and was pretty shocked to see ones in much worse condition than mine selling for over $450 each! Sure you can get them at a better price from an auction like GunBroker.com where they are usually readily available, but if you don't have that C&R lets see how much it would cost for three of them, from a dealer:
$139.00 x 3 = $417.00 for the rifles
$ 25.00 x 3 = $ 75.00 for the FFL transfer fees
$ 35.00 = $35.00 Shipping for all three shipped in same box
________
$527.00
Now even if the FFL holder gives you a break to lets say $15 for each transfer, that is now $30 less or a total of $497.00.
Why not just remove that fee virtually altogether, and if you had already had your C&R when you bought the CZ52 a month before you bought these rifles, then that is pretty much just what you accomplished. I say so because there is only a one time fee for that license in its three year life. In other words now those same rifles shipped to you would only cost $527 - 75 = $452. Even the difference in cost with the discounted FFL transfer would be: $45. So you could get a $5 to $75 savings on that one purchase. That money is equal to a good amount of ammo for that rifle.
The bottom line is that if you plan to buy a few firearms that are on the curios and relics list over the course of the next three years, it may be well to your benefit to apply for a C&R license. Also if you live in an area where FFL holders charge you exorbitant fees to make a firearms transfer, such as here in NY where is can easily cost $40 - $50 per gun, then you really should consider getting a C&R.
Best regards,
Glenn B
