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a lot of places and already need a silencer and night firing ability to hunt half of the land all the time and need it for the other half of the land except on certain days of the year. wtf makes you think any of that will improve if shtf? it's going to get MUCH worse. Being seen with a rifle is certain to get you shot-at. having your shots heard will be certain to bring enemies searching for you. Flash at night ruins your night adapted vision and directs enemy fire towards you. Silenced, shorty AR removes all those problems, and .22 conversion unit removes a lot more (ie ,subsonic, carry much more ammo, much more replacable).

100's of thousands of shorty AR's sold, ditto the .22 units. Ciener owes me a lot of commission $. :)
 
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