[BigEd]

Mall Shooter Taken Down

I remember somebody crying about wasting time shooting at distance because "Noone" can shoot that good under pressur.

Hmmm ......hmmmmmm.......hmmmmm.

My point is whether distance or the precious to do so.... practice.

 

[John in AR]

To me, having the ability to hit at unlikely distances is a lot like having a fire extinguisher or even spare tire in the vehicle; one of those "odds vs. stakes" things. The odds of it being relevant on any given day are very low, but the stakes involved if you ever do need it are high. The odds of me ever needing my ccw gun are low, but that doesn't mean I'm going to leave it at home.

 

[Dorobuta]

never train for the 90%, always train for the 1%. That way, the 90% is easy.

 

[BigEd]

I do admit myself that I've slacked off in the precision long range pistol shooting dept.
However I'm working on remedying that.

Getting older and having nerve damage in my legs and no more abnormal to the good vision.

Just have to practice enough to relearn those skills.

 

[Garand]

To practice long range shooting , you need a place that has long range. 5 to 6 months of the year I am confined to a 25 yd indoor range depending on weather conditions. 5 months of the year I struggle to maintain a heavy match schedule, there never seems to be enough time to cover everything you want to accomplish.

 

[BigEd]

Understand that. And down here I got access but distance, cost and heat down here don't help .

Yesterday I escorted sine friends over to the Hobbes public range and by noon it was meltdown time.

 

[John in AR]

I wish I could remember the details, but a few years ago there was a story about a cop shooting an active shooter from over 100 yards away. IIRC, the cop was holding the reins of his horse with one hand and one shot (one-handed) from his pistol took out the shooter.

 

[Terry G]

I always did practice 25 yard shooting as I live in a rural area where a confrontation at a distance is a little more likely than in an urban environment. The thing I found is you don't need a full size handgun with fancy sights to get hits. Almost any handgun can shoot better than the shooter. My CZ P-01, S&W SD9VE, Taurus G3, and even my Hellcat will get solid kill zone hit's at 25 yards if I do my part. I'm going to move another target frame to 30 yards and work on that then maybe a bit more.

 

[John in AR]

...Almost any handgun can shoot better than the shooter.

Truth

 

[Kpdpipes]

I wish I could remember the details, but a few years ago there was a story about a cop shooting an active shooter from over 100 yards away. IIRC, the cop was holding the reins of his horse with one hand and one shot (one-handed) from his pistol took out the shooter.

John that was the guy down in texas who cahsed in the Birth Certificates of a couple of Wannabe Islamist Terrorists who were going to shoot up a "Draw a Cartoon of Allah" contest I believe. Just looked it up Garland Tx, 4 May 2015 Garland, Texas, shooting suspect linked himself to ISIS in tweets | CNN

 

[Garand]

Understand that. And down here I got access but distance, cost and heat down here don't help .

Yesterday I escorted sine friends over to the Hobbes public range and by noon it was meltdown time.

Got a 3 gun match on Sunday, 3 hours from home, after baking my brain for about 4-5 hours, it will be a loooong drive home. Saturdays Action Pistol match was cancelled due to damage to the electrical grid caused by a local storm on Monday

 

[John in AR]

John that was the guy down in texas who cahsed in the Birth Certificates of a couple of Wannabe Islamist Terrorists who were going to shoot up a "Draw a Cartoon of Allah" contest I believe. Just looked it up Garland Tx, 4 May 2015 Garland, Texas, shooting suspect linked himself to ISIS in tweets | CNN

KPD - I wasn't familiar with that one. I searched around & found the one I was thinking of; it was from Austin TX in 2014. It's been so long that I couldn't find the original story, but did find some info on it. Guy was on foot, holding the reins to two horses, and fired one shot single-handed at 312 feet, hitting the active shooter in the chest and stopping him:

Police Officer in TX Shoots Suspect At 104yds, Holding Horses, With Handgun -

One thing that I learned early on at the range was to trust my handgun to get the job done when needed. Which is why we were shooting out to 120yds with service handguns. Learning that you can land combat effective hits on a torso at 100+yds was eye opening to some people, including seasoned …...

www.thefirearmblog.com

Cop Drops Active Shooter from 104 Yards with M&P .40, While Holding His Horses

Gotta love Texas! AUSTIN (KXAN) – The gunman who attacked the federal courthouse, the Mexican consulate and the Austin Police Department headquarters was killed by a single shot taken from 312 feet away by mounted patrol […]

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Could I do it? Likely not. Could I do it reliably and consistently? Absolutely not. But the real takeaway imo is that the gun is capable of doing it; whether I am or not.

 

[boati]

if you have 500 hours and $5000 per year to waste on crap that you might need 1 time in 100, while being inept at the stuff you need the other 99% of the time, feel free. You're no loss.

 

[Terry G]

if you have 500 hours and $5000 per year to waste on crap that you might need 1 time in 100, while being inept at the stuff you need the other 99% of the time, feel free. You're no loss.

If you have enough skills and practice until you hit reliably at at ranges 25 to 40 yards how does that diminish the capacity to hit at shorter ranges? You have stated you think anything past 7 yards is too far for a handgun, but that's you. Other's can hit at 25 yards all day long. 40 yards IS far, but certainly do able as this Man demonstrated. If I miss a silhouette at 25 yards I don't qualify for LEOSA. What does that tell you?

 

[John in AR]

if you have 500 hours and $5000 per year

Do you really believe that that 22-year-old kid or that Austin cop did either of those things? I don't, and I don't believe you do either.

I'm curious for your comments on the really short videos I recently put up. One with a centerfire snubnose revolver getting 7 C-zone hits at ten yards in 1.49 seconds (1.75 seconds if we include the reaction time to first shot); and one with the 9mm AR carbine getting two hits from safety-on low-ready at 15 yards in 0.69 second? It doesn't cost a thing to make & post evidence of what you can do (no cost other than ammo, at least). Just a cell phone and free google email account.

 

[John in AR]

You (accidentally, I'm sure) posted this in an unrelated thread, so I thought I'd help out & bring it here where it actually fits into the topic.

the hero ran forward, gun in hand, 10m, so as to shove a lady out of the line of fire and then he got 8 out of10 hits. I heard it was a G26, wussy loads or poor hits, apparently, or it wouldn't have taken 8 of them to shut the guy down. Probably a combo of both. They said Platt was hit 11x, but what they didn't say was that 3 o those were execution shots into his head/neck after he was bled-out and no longer armed. He'd been SOLIDLY hit ONCE of the other 8 hits, thru one lung, after the bullet first went thru his arm. The other hits were buckshot pellets to his feet/ankles, a hit to his back only went about an inch deep. So you cant trust the media to get anything right about a shooting. could easily have been 20 yds, not 30, etc. 6 hits, 12 shots, god knows.

Yes, 30 yards shooting, after running 10 yards. Then shoving a person out of the way. Then getting off 10 shots, 8 of which were hits at 90 feet. The distance and number of shots have been confirmed by surveillance video. The number of hits were confirmed by the coroner.

And doing all of that running, shoving, and shooting - cold, with no warmups and no warning - in 15 seconds. Why the negativity? This kid saved lives, hurt no innocent bystanders in the process, and you're still complaining about his actions. Why?

 

[Terry G]

You (accidentally, I'm sure) posted this in an unrelated thread, so I thought I'd help out & bring it here where it actually fits into the topic.

Yes, 30 yards shooting, after running 10 yards. Then shoving a person out of the way. Then getting off 10 shots, 8 of which were hits at 90 feet. The distance and number of shots have been confirmed by surveillance video. The number of hits were confirmed by the coroner.

And doing all of that running, shoving, and shooting - cold, with no warmups and no warning - in 15 seconds. Why the negativity? This kid saved lives, hurt no innocent bystanders in the process, and you're still complaining about his actions. Why?

Because "Boati" couldn't do it, so therefore it couldn't be done. Besides 90 feet is out of range for an airsoft pistol.

 

[Garand]

if you have 500 hours and $5000 per year to waste on crap that you might need 1 time in 100, while being inept at the stuff you need the other 99% of the time, feel free. You're no loss.

Again with the money thing! Melvin, what is your fixation about what we do with our money? In case you haven't realized, when your retired you have lots more time.

 

[Dorobuta]

if you have 500 hours and $5000 per year to waste on crap that you might need 1 time in 100, while being inept at the stuff you need the other 99% of the time, feel free. You're no loss.

training for that 1% makes the other 99% easier to obtain. Longer distances highlight everything that is wrong with your technique with a handgun. I would think a "world class" shootist would know this. (And the Western English term is "Shootist", "Shotist is a South African term)

 

[Terry G]

Train for all kill zone hit's at 25 yards. When you can do that consistently, move to seven yards and see how that works out. I would think a World Class shottist would know this.