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.45 COLT · Jul 19, 2004

Got a question for you Gunkid. How much real, live combat experience do you have? Not the "I jerk it while reading SOF" type, but the "Damn, a feller could get hisself kilt here" variety. You dispense all sorts of advice, what do you base it on? Your thoughts on ambush are absolutely assinine. Your choice of weapons (cobbled firearms, backed up with a big stick) seems a little stupid. Hearing protection while under fire - Get real, there's a lot more important things to occupy a person. You seem to think knives are useless. Wrong. Aside from (necessary) fieldcraft, a good combat knife is essential when engaging in hostilities. (They're quiet and never have to be reloaded). You name-drop a bunch, but the feats of others don't shine on you. Reflected glory isn't very impressive. You boast of deeds to be performed somewhere in the future with nothing in your past to indicate that you are capable of that performance. A quick draw might be useful, but not while it is hindered by the wetting of britches - NOBODY who has never engaged an enemy can state with any assurance how he / she will react to the first experience. BTW, I do have combat experience, just don't say a whole lot about it, so I have a fair idea of what's reality and what's fantasy. You fall square in the fantasy area.

DC

andy · Jul 19, 2004

I've drawn on men several times, they decided to not make me shoot them. There was nothing but the response I'd TRAINED myself to make. The gun seemed to "grow" out of my wrist and into my hand, in fact.

I know a lot of guys who've eaten a lot of dirt "in combat" and sprayed a lot of ammo into the bush, and NEVER saw a live enemy.

I've also drawn on attacking dogs a few times, the only time I've HAD to fire, I used a silenced Ruger .22 to brain one, right at my feet. Having been"in combat" doesn't necessarily mean crap. I've seen and heard HORRIBLY poor advice offered by combat vets. Just look at Cooper claiming that a short ranged bolt action is useful for resisting tyrants.

Look at the fools claiming that a pos like an AK is a better gun than an AR. or claiming that 223 sp's just BOUNCE OFF men at 300m,etc.

Clint Boyer · Jul 19, 2004

Tell us again how the dogs backed off when you drew your gun.

I know a lot of guys

Second hander.

Garand · Jul 19, 2004

If you want to see "HORRIBLY poor advice", look at your own.

Magnum88C · Jul 19, 2004

"I knew a guy who knew a guy who owned a dog that my father's cousin's roommate in college used to own, the roommate watched all 3 Rambo movies and Commando, and he says a main battle rimfire, with a pistol length barrel is really the way to go in combat."

:dgrin:

Terry G · Jul 20, 2004

Too many Meds

.45 Colt, John has simultaneously been in Viet Nam, Korea, and I'm fairly certain, South Africa. He has for absolutely certain, been in Federal Prison for at least half his life. He has no recent(at least legal) experience with firearms. His last time firing a legal weapon was 1983. I have asked him about real nitty gritty questions about combat, (how many rounds do you put in an M-16 magazine? How much M-60 ammo does the average Grunt carry? How long does it really take for a hand grenade to go off? How many meals in a C Ration case? He knows none of these. He has NO combat experience with ANYBODY. Not Soldiers, Not Law Enforcement Officer's, (bad grammar) not nobody, not nohow. He's a joke and what's sad is he knows it, but can't stop. Charlie Company, 2nd BN, 7th Cavalry, 1st Cavalry Division, 1969 -1970.

Dakota · Jul 20, 2004

Melvin

Can you say "ouch" ?

Half elf · Jul 21, 2004

27rds in a 30td M-16 mag, I perfer to start with 2 tracers then when I see a tracer its reload time. Pack out for the M-60 is 200rd opened, 200rds on the gunner, A gunner carries 600rds, B gunner carries 600rds and the tripod, rest of the squad 200rds. You hope for a 5 count, but throw on a 3 count and pray they cut the fuzes correctly. Dont know about C-rats, but MREs are 12 to a box, 36 lies in a box.

Terry G · Jul 21, 2004

Half elf said:
27rds in a 30td M-16 mag, I perfer to start with 2 tracers then when I see a tracer its reload time. Pack out for the M-60 is 200rd opened, 200rds on the gunner, A gunner carries 600rds, B gunner carries 600rds and the tripod, rest of the squad 200rds. You hope for a 5 count, but throw on a 3 count and pray they cut the fuzes correctly. Dont know about C-rats, but MREs are 12 to a box, 36 lies in a box.

Half elf, you know. It differed a bit in Viet Nam, (18 rounds to a 20 round magazine) etc. but you obviously know what your talking about. And C-rats were twelve to the case, too, some things never change.

andy · Jul 21, 2004

Yeah, I'm almost 52, and I've spent 13 years in prison, and that's HALF of 52, right? I've never claimed to have been in Nam. I had orders to go there, in 1972, but got diverted to Korea instead.

We only had C rats in Basic, ONCE, to show us just HOW ****ty they really were. Nobody ate anything but the crackers and jelly. They were Korean war leftovers.

andy · Jul 21, 2004

I saw no such posts. 28 rds in a 30 has always been my standard practice. 18 in 20's was the standard when I was in Korea. 4-5 seconds is what they told you about the frag grenade in basic. I wasn't a grunt, so why would I know about a machinegunner's load? I know dumbasses like you sit around reading TM's all day, but nobody I knew in the military did so. They even loaded the 1911 mags one rd short, back then anyway.

Half elf · Jul 21, 2004

I read the TM's applicable to my MOS, and anything else that would help keep me in one solid piece. I was assigned to 17th AVN. Brigade, and they have the only platoon of pathfinders on the peninsula. My job was at least as impoprtant as the CC's because they dont roll without me. The most dangerous thing in the world is a 2nd luff with a map and a compass, the second most is a baby buck E-5 driving for him who only know how to say "Yes Sir/No Sir". Most new luffs need a babysitter until they make 1st, and the babysitter needs to be senior/experienced enough not to be blinded by the rank.

TODD 3465 · Jul 21, 2004

Odd about the M-60 that he is not at all familar with it. We trained on it and I humped on around when on FTX's as a 95B.
I also had sense enough to volunteer for weapons cleaning detail on them and the M-19 grenade launcher; to learn more about both of them.

But then again he just walked dogs for a living.

Stillwater · Jul 22, 2004

andy said:
Yeah, I'm almost 52, and I've spent 13 years in prison, and that's HALF of 52, right? I've never claimed to have been in Nam. I had orders to go there, in 1972, but got diverted to Korea instead.

We only had C rats in Basic, ONCE, to show us just HOW ****ty they really were. Nobody ate anything but the crackers and jelly. They were Korean war leftovers.

Ah, poor little boo-boo, you had to eat left overs. Such a damn shame wasn't it?

Bill

Terry G · Jul 23, 2004

andy said:
I saw no such posts. 28 rds in a 30 has always been my standard practice. 18 in 20's was the standard when I was in Korea. 4-5 seconds is what they told you about the frag grenade in basic. I wasn't a grunt, so why would I know about a machinegunner's load? I know dumbasses like you sit around reading TM's all day, but nobody I knew in the military did so. They even loaded the 1911 mags one rd short, back then anyway.

I never read a training manual. I learned to survive from fellow Grunt's. You know why, John? it was called COMBAT. I wanted to stay alive. You have never, ever, fired a round in combat. If I'm wrong, tell me when you did so.

Stillwater · Jul 23, 2004

Terry G said:
I never read a training manual. I learned to survive from fellow Grunt's. You know why, John? it was called COMBAT. I wanted to stay alive. You have never, ever, fired a round in combat. If I'm wrong, tell me when you did so.

TG:
MELVIN won't answer you. Want to know why? It is because you have backed him into a cornor, and he needs to escape. MELVIN'S escape is to ignore you.

I can tell you that MELVIN has never fired a shot in combat, because I have a copy of his DD FORM 214. If MELVIN has experienced combat, it would be listed on his DD FORM 214.

Bill

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