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I've been wondering if that campaign finance law was orchestrated to leave our "representatives" in DC a free hand to vote against the sunset and not have it impact their re-election chances. The timing of everything just seems odd to me.
 

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I've been wondering if that campaign finance law was orchestrated to leave our "representatives" in DC a free hand to vote against the sunset and not have it impact their re-election chances. The timing of everything just seems odd to me.
I've gotten a couple of letters back from my representatives. They've all said the same thing: they strongly feel that it woun't even come up to a vote in the house. The house seems to plan to kill it deader than a doornail. Of course, it might get tacked on to something else that they consider important, so it gets "forced" to pass.

Either way, I'm planning for it to only stay sunset for a couple of months. In other words, I'm planning to get what I can ASAP since it might (probably?) end up being a VERY brief window. That's just my WAG, though.

Don't forget the expanded version that would limit the amount of ammo you can have and the PAtriot Act might be expanded to outlaw ALL AP projectiles and not just the pistol caliber stuff with the couple of exceptions like we have now.

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Don't forget the expanded version that would limit the amount of ammo you can have and the PAtriot Act might be expanded to outlaw ALL AP projectiles and not just the pistol caliber stuff with the couple of exceptions like we have now.
Yeah, I want to get some 20 round magazines for my FiveseveN.

As for them outlawing all AP ammo, yeah that would be one heck of a foot in the back door to ban all high powered ammo. Then all that would need to be done is to redefine "armor" as a leather jacket.

Of course, if anyone thinks they are coming into my place to inventory my ammo, they better put a different thought into their head. Not to mention that such a law would be blatantly ex-post-facto if they try to enforce it on existing stock that people possess. Maybe I should have kept ALL of my receipts......
 

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As for them outlawing all AP ammo, yeah that would be one heck of a foot in the back door to ban all high powered ammo. Then all that would need to be done is to redefine "armor" as a leather jacket.
Maybe I'm morew paranoid, but I don't think they'd have to redefine "armor." I think they can ALREADY define "armor piercing" ANY way they want. They have to power to outlaw AP in pistol calibers REGARDLESS of if it really pierces armor or not! Besides, I think AP easily fits under what our forefathers meant by the second amendment, so ANY type of restriction is a violation of my rights. That's another topic, though, and I already know I am preaching to the choir here.

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Of course, if anyone thinks they are coming into my place to inventory my ammo, they better put a different thought into their head. Not to mention that such a law would be blatantly ex-post-facto if they try to enforce it on existing stock that people possess. Maybe I should have kept ALL of my receipts......
....but are "you" (i.e., not you, Rich, but "you" as in the typical poster here or typical gun enthusiast in America) willing to have your "wife" shot, you put into a coma, and/or your "kittens" stomped to death over an ammo limit. Come on, that would be much less of a transgression than some of the things already passed/enacted and nothing was done. ..or how about something as easy as just 10-years in prison for having one cartridge over the limit? Ready to run that risk?

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....but are "you" (i.e., not you, Rich, but "you" as in the typical poster here or typical gun enthusiast in America) willing to have your "wife" shot, you put into a coma, and/or your "kittens" stomped to death over an ammo limit. Come on, that would be much less of a transgression than some of the things already passed/enacted and nothing was done. ..or how about something as easy as just 10-years in prison for having one cartridge over the limit? Ready to run that risk?
Why, you mean to tell me that everyone isn't willing to do that? :noevil:
 

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Question is, are THEY willing to run the risk of inventorying people's stocks?
 

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Question is, are THEY willing to run the risk of inventorying people's stocks?
No - They wouldn't have to. We are all blind if we don't think they are MORE than willing to check SOME people's supplies, though. It only takes SOME to put fear in others. I think that is the ultimate goal, but the results are the same regardless of the goal.

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Well, I certainly hope they go in alphabetical order to give me time to prepare.... :madeuce:
 

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Isn't the last day for this to be brought up (assuming done within regular schedule) in the next day or so...?
 

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I feel like I am on pins and needles, waiting for some junior high school to get shot up by some yahoo with a .50BMG sniper "assault weapon" with multiple high capacity magazines.

How many times has that kind of rabbit jumped out of a hat when needed by the anti-gun crowd to get some stalled legislation passed?
 

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you are right about that RICH!

very odd, er.. timely, would be a better word!






thanks.
 

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When (If) it finally sunsets, everybody should take time out from their wild celebration parties and e-mail House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, to express thanks for standing firm. Without his opposition to extension, we wouldn't be doing any countdown right now.

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Only four more days till the sunset? Man SOMETHING has got to be going on. No way the anti gunners are going to let that happen without pulling on some major strings. I'm waiting for something to happen that will cause a "temporary" extension to pass via an emergency legislative session.

Or a Bob Dole special......
 

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Forgive my ignorance, I'm still trying to figure out what will and what won't be ok after the ban sunsets....

magazine restrictions will be gone - right?

what about evil features (folding stocks and bayonets)?

Are the import restrictions gone? (i.e. the american parts count issue)?

After the ban sunsets, would I be able to go out and buy a P90 if I were so inclined?

Thanks

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Forgive my ignorance, I'm still trying to figure out what will and what won't be ok after the ban sunsets....

magazine restrictions will be gone - right?

what about evil features (folding stocks and bayonets)?

Are the import restrictions gone? (i.e. the american parts count issue)?

After the ban sunsets, would I be able to go out and buy a P90 if I were so inclined?

Thanks

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Laws/regs on full automatics does NOT change. The parts count laws/regs on the number of American made parts on foreign guns does not change nor does the restriction on AP ammunition in pistol calibers. The only thing changed is that the restriction on so-called high capacity magazines would be lifted (new 11+ round magazines wouldn't be just for LE people any longer) and that a semi-auto with detachable magazines COULD have more than one of the following again: a pistol grip, telescoping stock, threaded barrel, and/or bayonet lug.

Folding stocks seem to still be illegal on at least some guns based on OTHER regulations that I don't fully understand or comprehend. This may be part of the list of parts that need to have a certain number as American made. I'm not sure.

Not that much of a change in fact, but a good step towards eventually trying to defet the anti-freeedom people from Kalifornia, for example.
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I think my countdown timer is off a bit. But when they say:
The so-called "assault weapon" and full-capacity magazine bans sunset (expire) at midnight on Monday, 13 September, 2004.
Does that mean midnight between Sunday and Monday, or midnight between Monday and Tuesday? All of the countdowns I am seeing appear to indicate the former, rather than the later.
 

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Midnight of Sunday night / Monday morning.

Since it's now Friday morning, and congress is out of session Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, does this mean it's a "done deal"? Or are there still shenanigans they can pull in the next 63 hours...?
 

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Remember Robert Dole and the Brady Bill?

Senator Bob Dole
On passing the Brady bill:
* On November 23, 1993, the Brady bill was considered dead for the year, having been successfully killed by a bipartisan filibuster.

On November 24, Bob Dole agreed to stop the filibuster and to let the Brady bill pass. This agreement was reached when there were only three senators on the floor -- everyone else was home for Thanksgiving. Just one of the senators on the floor -- Bob Dole being among them -- could have objected to the agreement and thereby prevented the bill's passage. Bob Dole did not object. The Brady bill passed. (Source: Congressional Record, November 24, 1993, pp. S 17090-91.)

* Here's what Sen. Dole had to say about his actions:

I know the Gun Owners of America, another group, have a little different view. They are blaming me for the Brady bill that passed because I sat there with the majority leader and everybody else had gone home, and we made an arrangement. We let that bill pass. I was picketed, and they called me a traitor, and everything else . . . because that happened. (Source: Congressional Record, August 23, 1994, p. S 12363.)
 

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Bob Dole is a traitor. Period.

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I hope that every time he looks into a mirror, he thinks about that boneheaded stunt that cost him the presidency.
 
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