well i haven't got my upper from jt yet but i was looking for my ar lowers. well i've just got to much gun junk, can't seam find them i know there out there somewhere, but where is the operative part of the question. so i ordered a couple of lowers from essential arms in Louisiana on Monday they came in today. i went and got them. well from what i can tell for $77.00 a piece there a good buy. the finish is first rate, the machine work on them is top of the line they are mil. spec. from what i can tell, no machine or tooling marks. there not bushmasters or colt, but most likely there made in the same foundry as the colt or all the others out there. I'll post a pic when i get the chance, i found my camera, or i could use my wifes new Nikon i guess. my wife purchased this slr type of digital 35mm film camera. oh while i was writing this i was told to use my camera as hers was off limits, seams the last time i used her camera i broke it, so i lost my privileges to use her new one. oh boo hoo. oh well what goes around comes around i guess.