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EVERY weekend. Until that was SO, the 308 fans pointed to their calilber and gun's winning such as being SO "meaningful". They were ALREADY being beaten every weekend, at realistic combat matches, to 300m, by AR's, even WITH the "minor caliber" scoring handicap Cooper put on 223 for IPSC rifle matches.:) Now that the 223 has been kicking ass at the 600 yd stages for about a decade, the 308 bozos are getting DESPERATE to justify their stupid choice of gun and caliber. Now they talk about "shooting thru" cover. well, a $150 sks can do that, given steel cored ammo. :)
 

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I shot a 3 gun match yesterday. After the match I spent about 40 minutes talking to a gentleman about the SKS that he was using. We compared it to my Garand that I had in my SUV as a backup rifle. I dragged the rifle and a bandoleer out and offered him the opportunity to shoot it. After knocking down a number of long range silouettes (steel pigs) at 300 meters, He commented on how his SKS neither had the accuracy nor the power to take down those steel pigs. He's been considering a Garand for a couple of months, I think he's sold now.
 
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The 5.56 has done well at the 600 m stages because no power level is required. They do tend to do less well that 7.62 in windy and rainy days also. If all you have to do is punch paper at 600 m, the AR is a fine choice. But if you have to project POWER at that range, then the 7.62 is the way to go. Only a stupe would think otherwise.
 

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u r fos. 80 gr vld's still have 500+ ft lbs

at 600 yds, fired from a 24" barrel. That's the same level of power as the much ballyhooed 4" 357 revolver has at 10 ft, using 125 gr jhp's. You dont NEED to knock the man on his ass at such ranges. All you have to do is ruin his ability to hurt you, and the 223 does that just fine. You powermad assholes are such twits about such things. Nobody HAS to hunt at ALL, much less take game at such ranges. Nobody has to "snipe" at such ranges. Like little KIDS, WANTING-to is the samething to you as "needing to". Well, there IS a diff, and the 223 DOES do many things that the 308 CAN'T do, like use a .22 unit, used the GI rifle rd, be usable one handed, conceal in an attache case, conceal on your person, be handy with a can attached, all of which are of considerable value NOW, and may well be priceless advantages if shtf.

No, dumb ass, it's NOT "apples to oranges". It's about PERFORMANCE evaluation, something which you are UTTERLY uncapable of doing.
 
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stupe doen't know a 7.62 from a 24 inch barrel with a 168gr bullet has over 1000 fp of energy. That's makes that .357 look like <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>. And that's from a M1A with 24 inch barrel. Boltgun does even better. Makes that 11 inch CAR look like a midget (just like it's owner.)

And no, a piss ant .22's 500 fp is worthless as at that range it will not fragment nor tumble. pos it is for sure. But a 7.62 will be traveling over 1700 fps. Plenty of velocity and WEIGHT and BULLET AREA.

And bozo now CLAIMS even if they 7.62 is better, you don't need the long range. But that stupe does not see the extra penitration over th 5.56, either through obstructions or vest or gear, is valuable. But that REMF REJECT stupe has no clue.
 

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Well I'm waiting for the info on who competes at 500+ yds with a 11-1/2"bbl CAR.

Where is it?:D
Yep about 17years and still waiting you prison biatch!
I've got AR based firearms from 10.5" to 18.5" and know the muzzle velocity of my ammo.
I don't however I don't entertain any fantasies of engaging targets out to 550meters with either of my AR pistols.
One of them that I call my MK18 Wannabe is assembled from a mix of mid grade parts but no bottom of the barrel ones. And is mechanically accurate enough to be a 1MoA gun when "properly braced" from a solid rest. But generally a 3MOA firearm in general use. 1-4x Leupold MKAR
Same with my modern Commando with a red dot.
However again 550meters! 🤣 ROFLMAO Right tool for the right job.
 

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I was under the impression that when you used an 80 grain bullet in your AR, you have just turned it into a single shot rifle.
 
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I was under the impression that when you used an 80 grain bullet in your AR, you have just turned it into a single shot rifle.
For Melvin that does not matter or that the 80gr bullet is about as far away from "The GI Round" as it gets.

And certainly not viable in any 10 5" bbl
Except in Melvin's little fantasy world in which his POSCAR-15 magically turns into a 20" bbl service rifle on a whim 🙄
 

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u r fos. 80 gr vld's still have 500+ ft lbs

at 600 yds, fired from a 24" barrel. That's the same level of power as the much ballyhooed 4" 357 revolver has at 10 ft, using 125 gr jhp's. You dont NEED to knock the man on his ass at such ranges. All you have to do is ruin his ability to hurt you, and the 223 does that just fine. You powermad assholes are such twits about such things. Nobody HAS to hunt at ALL, much less take game at such ranges. Nobody has to "snipe" at such ranges. Like little KIDS, WANTING-to is the samething to you as "needing to". Well, there IS a diff, and the 223 DOES do many things that the 308 CAN'T do, like use a .22 unit, used the GI rifle rd, be usable one handed, conceal in an attache case, conceal on your person, be handy with a can attached, all of which are of considerable value NOW, and may well be priceless advantages if shtf.

No, dumb ass, it's NOT "apples to oranges". It's about PERFORMANCE evaluation, something which you are UTTERLY uncapable of doing.
If it is about performance evaluation, shouldn’t you be comparing the shorty AR you tout? And 600 yds isn’t really that far, if you’re talking about sniping.

please define shtf, because your list of requirements seems very specific and unrealistic.
 

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u r fos. 80 gr vld's still have 500+ ft lbs

at 600 yds, fired from a 24" barrel. That's the same level of power as the much ballyhooed 4" 357 revolver has at 10 ft, using 125 gr jhp's. You dont NEED to knock the man on his ass at such ranges. All you have to do is ruin his ability to hurt you, and the 223 does that just fine. You powermad assholes are such twits about such things. Nobody HAS to hunt at ALL, much less take game at such ranges. Nobody has to "snipe" at such ranges. Like little KIDS, WANTING-to is the samething to you as "needing to". Well, there IS a diff, and the 223 DOES do many things that the 308 CAN'T do, like use a .22 unit, used the GI rifle rd, be usable one handed, conceal in an attache case, conceal on your person, be handy with a can attached, all of which are of considerable value NOW, and may well be priceless advantages if shtf.

No, dumb ass, it's NOT "apples to oranges". It's about PERFORMANCE evaluation, something which you are UTTERLY uncapable of doing.
How are you putting a 24” barrel in an attaché case?
Your post is about a 24” barreled AR.

the .22 unit is your requirement, not everyone else’s.

You aren’t shooting a 24” AR one handed with any level of accuracy.

you aren‘t concealing a 24” AR on your person.

.308 is a current GI round, unlike the 80 gr VLD in your post.

you’re correct, it isn’t apples to oranges, it’s apples to zebras.

you put incoherent arguments together and can’t even defend your choices with an argument that actually uses your chosen gear. Think about that.
 
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