or maybe 2 of the pistols, since it's both feasible and advisable to carry a pair of lw, compact pistols,one of them a canned .22, or own a dozen or more guns, and be half assed "good" with them? It's not even a question for any serious gun person. Especially not if money is in short supply. TIME IS ALWAYS in short supply, regardless of how much money you have. Mere possession of stuff is meaningless. A little kid, a senile old fogey, a COMPLETELY ignorant/inept person can OWN anything. It's the ABILITY with tools and weapons that MATTERS. Keeping the numbers of guns and calibers small, the action types all the same, helps build and maintain max skill with the least wasted time.
be REALLY skilled with 1 pistol,1 rifle,
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While you are a convict and are allowed no legal firearms, I myself have a dozen plus, that I'm able to use on a weekly basis. While training for a time, in case the balloon ever goes up is important .... so is living your life to the fullest. If you choose to own an olympic target rifle, an IPSC race gun, a lever action for Cowboy action thats good. Whatever your shooting you must involve the fundimental principles of marksmanship. If you want to be a "1 trick pony", well your allowed to be. As I am by practicing with multiple firearms, learning flexibility and versatility that you won't have.
Life is changing constantly and sometimes roadblocks are thrown it. Due to you inflexibility with only 1 firearm, if it breaks you will be defenceless. It will be just like in prison!
Life is changing constantly and sometimes roadblocks are thrown it. Due to you inflexibility with only 1 firearm, if it breaks you will be defenceless. It will be just like in prison!
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This is actually a pretty good point JD
I know many folks with lots of guns and little focus on thier shooting efforts.
It takes a fair amount of money to aquire skill, folks that say you you can't buy ability are not quite correct. You indeed do "buy" ability. In the terms of the wear and tear of high volume shooting on weapons and ammo.
When money is tight a premium has to be placed on versitility and econony. Under such conditions I would choose a AR15 and a 9mm Glock. Both weapons are good to go from the box and offer lots of versitility.
Teuf,
I know many folks with lots of guns and little focus on thier shooting efforts.
It takes a fair amount of money to aquire skill, folks that say you you can't buy ability are not quite correct. You indeed do "buy" ability. In the terms of the wear and tear of high volume shooting on weapons and ammo.
When money is tight a premium has to be placed on versitility and econony. Under such conditions I would choose a AR15 and a 9mm Glock. Both weapons are good to go from the box and offer lots of versitility.
Teuf,
that's cause u can't smith a 1911.
A 1911 is FAR more versatile, but it does require a man who knows how to tweak it, or at least some of them do. A used, "fully loaded" lw Spld is $500. and is FAR more "ready to go" than is a Glock, REGARDLESS of how much you smith the Glock.
A 1911 is FAR more versatile, but it does require a man who knows how to tweak it, or at least some of them do. A used, "fully loaded" lw Spld is $500. and is FAR more "ready to go" than is a Glock, REGARDLESS of how much you smith the Glock.
Glock's trigger feels NOTHING like an AR
trigger, and the glock TEACHES you to NOT manipulate a thumb safety. Bad idea. So is only having a 9mm in a fight,and NOBODY is bragging about the Glock FORTY FIVE, not in terms of reliability, durability, or controlability. If I'm going to lug around a belt pistol, it's not going to be limited to the 450 ft lbs of "power" possible in a Glock 9mm, that's for sure. It's going to offer the 800 ft lbs of the 460 Rowland Split Nose load.
Hey, <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>, we UNDERSTAND that a mere law would scare YOU out of maintaining your second amendment rights. However, that is not true of everybody.
trigger, and the glock TEACHES you to NOT manipulate a thumb safety. Bad idea. So is only having a 9mm in a fight,and NOBODY is bragging about the Glock FORTY FIVE, not in terms of reliability, durability, or controlability. If I'm going to lug around a belt pistol, it's not going to be limited to the 450 ft lbs of "power" possible in a Glock 9mm, that's for sure. It's going to offer the 800 ft lbs of the 460 Rowland Split Nose load.
Hey, <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>, we UNDERSTAND that a mere law would scare YOU out of maintaining your second amendment rights. However, that is not true of everybody.
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If money is tight the 9mm Glock is a good choice
It doesn't require anything to be a good combat pistol and the ammo is cheap in practice and premium ammo has proven effective on the street. When folks don't have the time and money to clown around tinkering the Glock is a good choice. Then add a .22 LR Advantage Arms top end for small game and practice.
I wouldn't choose any full size service pistol for SHTF use, the G26 wieghs 26oz. loaded and will fit in a front pocket or carry appendix IWB.
The G26 is far more durable and reliable than the current crop of mini-1911's. The 1911 forums are full of disgruntled mini-1911 owners.
I think you overplay the differences in trigger function, it doesn't seem to bother anyone but you. The Glock trigger function works just fine for the intended use.
Teuf,
It doesn't require anything to be a good combat pistol and the ammo is cheap in practice and premium ammo has proven effective on the street. When folks don't have the time and money to clown around tinkering the Glock is a good choice. Then add a .22 LR Advantage Arms top end for small game and practice.
I wouldn't choose any full size service pistol for SHTF use, the G26 wieghs 26oz. loaded and will fit in a front pocket or carry appendix IWB.
The G26 is far more durable and reliable than the current crop of mini-1911's. The 1911 forums are full of disgruntled mini-1911 owners.
I think you overplay the differences in trigger function, it doesn't seem to bother anyone but you. The Glock trigger function works just fine for the intended use.
Teuf,
bs, it bothers plenty of guys who KNOW
what a good trigger action SHOULD be, and dont want to waste their time learning a bs 'new" type, for no reason. Like I said, the Glock TEACHES you to just ignore the fact that you DO have to manipulate the thumb safety on your longarms.
No, the 9mm aint been proven to equal jack crap, actually. It's rather easy to prove it amounts to very little on animals, especially from short barrels.
what a good trigger action SHOULD be, and dont want to waste their time learning a bs 'new" type, for no reason. Like I said, the Glock TEACHES you to just ignore the fact that you DO have to manipulate the thumb safety on your longarms.
No, the 9mm aint been proven to equal jack crap, actually. It's rather easy to prove it amounts to very little on animals, especially from short barrels.
Teuf, good point, the Glock is probably the least expensive, small, good-to-go-from-the-box pistol. Rugers are bigger and heavier, but also cheaper and more robust. I prefer SIGs to Glocks, but there's the money issue again. Any of the above are much better than buying a marginal preformer (mini 1911) and then farting around with it trying to get it to work with a caliber different from what it was designed for.
And if money for training is the issue, there's cheaper rifles than ARs in .223, .308 and 7.62x39mm, that one can build plenty of skill with. A good SKS and Glock 26 would be a good, cheap way to go. A man who shoots the dickens out of his SKS is worht more than the man that buys the top-of-the-line Bushmaster and never takes it out.
And if money for training is the issue, there's cheaper rifles than ARs in .223, .308 and 7.62x39mm, that one can build plenty of skill with. A good SKS and Glock 26 would be a good, cheap way to go. A man who shoots the dickens out of his SKS is worht more than the man that buys the top-of-the-line Bushmaster and never takes it out.
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The price is right on the mini-Glocks
Thats really only the icing on the cake though, I like the trigger function, LW, small size and durability. My first G26 I bought used shot two cases of Wolf though it before I even lubed it, It just runs and runs.
I feel that if you can't afford a good weapon to start with how the hell can you afford to replace a substandard one? Good quality hurts only once and going cheap hurts everytime you use it.
I don't really care for single/double action pistols, but does Sig make a G26 sized 9mm?
Teuf,
Thats really only the icing on the cake though, I like the trigger function, LW, small size and durability. My first G26 I bought used shot two cases of Wolf though it before I even lubed it, It just runs and runs.
I feel that if you can't afford a good weapon to start with how the hell can you afford to replace a substandard one? Good quality hurts only once and going cheap hurts everytime you use it.
I don't really care for single/double action pistols, but does Sig make a G26 sized 9mm?
Teuf,
my friend converted a P239 to SA, chopped
it, etc, but somebody offered him $2000 for it, and he needed the money a lot more than he had any real use for the gun. I've not seen any reason to settle for what the factories offer, for nearly 25 years now. Just put the sob on the grinder, Tig, mill, lathe etc, and MAKE it fit your demands, that's all.
it, etc, but somebody offered him $2000 for it, and he needed the money a lot more than he had any real use for the gun.
I've not seen any reason to settle for what the factories offer, for nearly 25 years now. Just put the sob on the grinder, Tig, mill, lathe etc, and MAKE it fit your demands, that's all.
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Re: my friend converted a P239 to SA, chopped
most of the outdated features you are grinding, welding and cutting on to make work have been simply eliminated on the modern pistol.
Teuf,
Or you could just buy a Glockandy said:it, etc, but somebody offered him $2000 for it, and he needed the money a lot more than he had any real use for the gun.
most of the outdated features you are grinding, welding and cutting on to make work have been simply eliminated on the modern pistol.Teuf,
GK, I know you like to grind metal off of guns, but I think a point you're missing is that for almost any trigger style you want, there is a drop in kit for the Glock, no gunsmithing needed.
Myself, I wish there was a positive thumb safety on the Glock, but there isn't so it's just something to deal with.
The Glock is absolutely one of the toughest pistols ever made. It is extremely accurate, and you can break it down faster than practically any pistol out there.
Wanna shoot a rabbit? The Glock changes into a .22 faster than any centerfire pistol and it's extremely accurate in that mode.
Myself, I wish there was a positive thumb safety on the Glock, but there isn't so it's just something to deal with.
The Glock is absolutely one of the toughest pistols ever made. It is extremely accurate, and you can break it down faster than practically any pistol out there.
Wanna shoot a rabbit? The Glock changes into a .22 faster than any centerfire pistol and it's extremely accurate in that mode.
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