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The silenced M21trail pistol, with luminous sights, SA-only, speed safety, Pt22 1 rd increase in mag capacity and a bit longer grip. has only about 1/3rd that much accuracy, but it's silenced in nearly the same size, and considerably less weight. You can have one for $3000.
 

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The silenced M21trail pistol, with luminous sights, SA-only, speed safety, Pt22 1 rd increase in mag capacity and a bit longer grip. has only about 1/3rd that much accuracy, but it's silenced in nearly the same size, and considerably less weight. You can have one for $3000.
This is confusing. Your pitting an M21 suppressed mini-22 against a M41 Target pistol as far as accuracy then say it's only 1/3rd as accurate. Their not even in the same class of firearm and what does a Taurus PT22 have to do with either?
 

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The PT22 reference is due to wanting to use the Taurus magazine in the Beretta gun, since the Taurus holds one more round. I like added capacity as much as anyone, but it would take a lot of work since the magazine releases on the guns (and the release cutouts on the magazines themselves) are in very different locations.

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It would indeed give a slightly longer grip if you managed to do the conversion, but I don't personally see a huge advantage. The bigger grip would not only decrease concealability, but is certainly not necessary for control on a rimfire putting out ~55-60 ft/lbs of energy, especially with the added dampening weight of a suppressor hanging off the front. To each his own, but a lot of work for one more round that's 1/3 the power of a .380 pocket pistol.
 

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Thanks for interpreting. But what does the $8000.00 M41 have to do with it?
 

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...But what does the $8000.00 M41 have to do with it?
Nothing at all. But you have to understand the speaker...

Since the M21 is his favorite 22 handgun, it's obviously better than any other 22 handgun, and is to be compared to every other 22 handgun; regardless of accuracy, regardless of how much cobbling up you have to do to it to achieve the +1 extended rimfire capacity, etc.

Basically, "the beretta 21 is the only 22 handgun that makes sense, so it might as well be the only one that exists and therefore the better accuracy and increased power of __(fill in the blank)__ gun is irrelevant".

As someone who's owned numerous 22 handguns since the 1970's and has had a Beretta 21 since 1986 or so, I know better; but firsthand knowledge is irrelevent when pontifications are at stake.
 
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Nothing at all. But you have to understand the speaker...

Since the M21 is his favorite 22 handgun, it's obviously better than any other 22 handgun, and is to be compared to every other 22 handgun; regardless of accuracy, regardless of how much cobbling up you have to do to it to achieve the +1 extended rimfire capacity, etc.

Basically, "the beretta 21 is the only 22 handgun that makes sense, so it might as well be the only one that exists and therefore the better accuracy and increased power of __(fill in the blank)__ gun is irrelevant".

As someone who's owned numerous 22 handguns since the 1970's and has had a Beretta 21 since 1986 or so, I know better; but firsthand knowledge is irrelevent when pontifications are at stake.
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Didn't we go down this road not long ago? I have a PT22 I bought for my Wife and decided it was a NO GO as a self defense gun. Of course because Melvin say's so, it's a superior firearm when tricked out with a home made suppressor and a 1 round extended cobbled up magazine. Where did the $3,000.00 figure come from? Is Gander Outdoors or Cabela's having a sale on Beretta M21's? I've been looking all over for a $8,000.00 .22 for plinking.
 

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...I've been looking all over for a $8,000.00 .22 for plinking.
That's that Bob Loveless custom gun being auctioned in the opening post. It's a neat conversion, being substantially shorter and made to have an exposed hammer. But odds are (like most top-end custom guns) it'll end up in someone's safe or wall display and not get much, if any, use. Sad, but that's what seems to happen.

Plus, the fact that that same money would probably buy four or five of pretty much any other 22 pistol and a lifetime supply of ammo... More power to anyone who wants to buy one of those, but I suspect nobody in my neighborhood is going to.
 
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