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Hornet gets 52 grs to 2300 fps in typical 20" barrel. 356 pocket pistol gets 55 grs to 2200 fps, and has 2.5x the frontal area of the .22, and the THREE separate wound channels of the Split Nose bullet. It also has the 6 hit per second multiple hit potential, which no Hornet can HOPE to match, since even the few lever actions made in that caliber aren't better than 1/2 that fast for repeat hits..
 

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Except the .356 DOESN'T EXIST anymore and your magic bullets never existed.

If you want that performance, get the .357 Sig and a good, modern hollowpoint (which will outperform your POS nonexistant bullets anyway), and you're set.
 

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And a .22 hornet would blow up on a belt buckle, or wallet, or any hard object. It would not penetrate barriers like car windows, or walls, or any object. That is why the police and military don't use .22 hornets in any shape or form. And that is why they are getting away from the 5.56 (which is a pos in the 11 inch CAR format, as they know quite well.)
 

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I remember someone telling me that the .220 Swift was useless because the projectile would explode on contact with even a blade of grass and was useless for any sort of penetration. Well, being the doubting type, I fired a round at a four inch steel pipe. I guess the wall thickness on this pipe was about 1/4 inch, give or take..... Well that 40 grain bullet completely penetrated one side of the pipe and left a very ugly looking splatter mark on the inside of the opposite side of the pipe.

I don't think I would want to be using a grass blade as a barrier if someone were shooting at me with a .220 Swift.
 

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Rich Z said:
I remember someone telling me that the .220 Swift was useless because the projectile would explode on contact with even a blade of grass and was useless for any sort of penetration. Well, being the doubting type, I fired a round at a four inch steel pipe. I guess the wall thickness on this pipe was about 1/4 inch, give or take..... Well that 40 grain bullet completely penetrated one side of the pipe and left a very ugly looking splatter mark on the inside of the opposite side of the pipe.

I don't think I would want to be using a grass blade as a barrier if someone were shooting at me with a .220 Swift.
I've heard the exact opposite about the 220 swift. I've also seen what they do to little critters (red mist). I would not want to get hit by one.
 

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I don't understand the comparing of 50 grain rifle bullets to 50 grain pistol bullets.

I grew up with a Ruger #3 .22 Hornet carbine and it was a great utility rifle, I have killed box cars of varmints, antelope and deer with it and also used .22 LR chamber adapters with it as well.. So it's not like I don't know my way around the .22 Hornet.

JD ,don't you understand the concept of BC and the effect it has on external ballistics? You really think a .356 pocket pistol is equal to the rifle task a .22 Hornet Performs?

This is a really poor way to try and make your point.

Teuf,
 

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no, <font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font><font color=red>*</font>. The pistol is for ccw DEFENSE, especially the pocket pistol. Get your mind out of the RUT. Shoot those same animals with .45 ball, as you did with the HOrnet, and SEE if they are as disabled by a chest hit as they were by the Hornet. :) The POINT is, by using the very lw, very high velocity bullet in the pistol, you can have a LOT more effectiveness,WITHOUT giving up repeat hit speed, and GAINING AP potential, which is of course nice to have, given that a walking stick can handle about 90% of real civilian trouble. The pistol is mostly in case of trouble with jbt's, one day.
 
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